I Spent A Lot of Jack Hunting Moose in Alaska. Why It Was Worth It. | Aggressive Life with Brian Tome

I guess you just try and sleep it off. You just sleep it Because your body's gonna dry it out Now you can go do some housekeeping more like only eleven more days to go. That's a little tip for 512 *laughter* Welcome to the aggressive life Today's a big day. It's damn been looking forward to I love when I had me some good friends in the studio And that's what we got today. I had a pretty Life-defining trip recently. We're gonna talk about not because you want to all know about my trips But because I think there's some transfer principles that I want to push you into in your aggressive life When next year we have here today. Uh, we got two pretty interesting fellas We got ourselves a guy named Steve, but nobody knows I'm a Steve. They know him as log What would I say about myself give yourself a little intro Married 34 years father of three children three grandchildren Love to do things that transform communities through uh real estate and I like going on adventures Hanging out with uh my best friends. All right, and he can sing like Michael McDonald. Okay, see What we'll get it doesn't move his hand Just like stocks though and then our other guests you got right here ricky bobbing or jud walk-ins or 512 Give yourself an introduction. Do I need an introduction? I don't know. I'm jud uh Married 31 years Uh, I like to do fun stuff. I like to create experiences and uh have adventures. What's the last ridiculous vehicle you bought? Oh, man In the last like two. Oh, I bought a plane. Yeah, I bought a wrecked plane An unflyable plane Okay, that's pretty good. That's the best kind of plane for you. Yeah, that's good. Well, it's great You guys just went on a moose hunting trip to Alaska And that's what we're here to talk about and hopefully pull something that's helpful out for people from yeah So what I want to do with this is I want to Relive that experience a little bit maybe codify it for future posterity I I found that people are interested and they hear about things that they haven't done before

It's one of the reason we have guests on the aggressive life as they speak into a situation that very few people have Heard about and it's kind of intriguing. So today There's not a lot of people who have gone to Alaska to hunt moose and not a lot of people who were actually quite frankly interested in that at all But I think people are going to be stimuli like who this is a different different thing there But there's really a turn that I want to make Towards the end or after we come through the stories and that is I want people to be thinking What is the adventure? What is the experience? What is the Goal that you've always had that you have not yet done And why wouldn't you just make that happen? What do you what are you waiting for? And this was one of them for me and so we'll talk about all that stuff and try to help people and have fun in the process So to that point, how did this trip even start? Because I mean I'm around a lot of people who talk about things and they're like, you know We should do and then they never do it So how did when did it start when did that conversation start and how did you go from like that would be fun to like we're doing it? I don't know. What did the conversations start with us? So there's one person who was on a trip who wasn't in the studio today. My son J. Koo has a who has an actual real job where he has to be in meetings all day. So Yeah, when do we start talking about this? I think we were coming out of an elk hunt It might have been at the chateau. We were at the hotel. I'm after the last one in Colorado Where we we're in that outfit or tent. It was freezing cold We finally got warmed up and and we're recounting that trip and we're like, you know what we should do next Because you were talking about doing the Alaska motorcycle trip, right? That was that's right. And then we were like, well What if we pivoted so I think that was the kernel of it right? Well, I think I had actually had On the podcast years ago that I was going to go on an Alaska moose on I'm going to do that and actually Dudes come out of the woodwork say I'll go with you. I'll go with you Which was really a challenge of oh man people are really doing this and I couldn't do it. I had actually declared this year. I'm gonna do it I don't care and I didn't do it that year that was I don't know what that was two years ago three years ago

We've been talking about it for two or three years to talk about it Well, and we were planning to do it last year. We put deposits down and then libs situation popped up And so we that all got scratched. Oh, that's right. That's right. Yeah, so it's been a bucket list. I'm item. I'm very drunk And it is, it is, I love watching documentaries on streaming platforms about Alaska. I've been there that this was now my third time going. It's just a special place, and it's a brutal place actually, which is probably why it's so special. Maybe we should start there, just recounting the stories. - Yeah. - Yeah. - It starts off with horrific day of travel. Going from Cincinnati to Anchorage is 3x the distance it is, or more than 3x the distance it is from Cincinnati to Key West Florida, if you look at a map, like nobody wants to drive down to Key West Florida, it's just a long, long away. And then it's that long, just to get to the border of Alaska, let alone where we were going, I mean, 3x to get to the border of Alaska, let alone to get where we were going, which was the beginning of the Aleutian Islands, that little tail on the western edge. And so it was your standard long ass flights with Delta, and then it got interesting. - Right, you guys should pick it up from there. - Well, you don't realize how tired you are, 'cause you're going across four time zones, but it's not getting dark. And so we get there, and first thing we had to do is stock up on liquor.

- Because apparently you tried to fly with it. - So we had divvied up all the, some responsibility Jake was handling the food, somehow I got handling the booze. - Somehow. - Somehow. - You really want to play a few tricks. So I bought, I did some calculations and bought the appropriate amount of alcohol for four guys drinking only bourbon for two weeks, whatever. - 'Cause it's a weight issue. - No beer, no met. It's a weight issue. - It was a weight issue. - Yeah, you can't just, hey, you know, it can't take a bunch of diet coke or beer. It's like, what's the lightest? - You have 60 pounds. What are you going to do? So I bought all that, I packed it all up into these platypus plastic bags, and then the robot tells me as I'm checking things through, it's like, you absolutely cannot fly with it. They pull a recipe. So, I don't know, I guess we'll figure it out in Anchorage. So we landed in Anchorage, we had a little bit of time before we went from our Delta plane to our medium-sized plane, which is one of the smallest planes I've ever been in. And then we eventually got into the tiniest plane

that a man should ever fly in. But yeah, so we had to get the booze, which we did. But then we got onto the next planes that this ball is playing. - It was like a citation caravan, and the inside was like diamond plate metal. This is a utilitarian, this is not a luxury cruiser. Your stuff is strapped down to the floor in the back, and what doesn't fit there, they still underneath. And it's got a one propeller in the front, and there's no-- - There's no backup. - There's no stewardess, there's no-- - Did you have to stand up during the flight? Or are they like hay bales? - No, you have to strap in, believe me. And we take off and we're flying over these really beautiful, like I'd call marshes or whatever. And off in the distance, you see these jagged mountains, and we're only flying, what, 300 feet at the ground? - Oh, it's low. - I mean, we're flying low. And in my mind, 'cause it's so loud, and we can't really talk to each other. In my mind, I'm like, I wonder how close we're gonna get to those mountains, 'cause they're just beautiful mountains. And we keep getting closer, we keep getting closer, and then I'm like, this plane can't get over those mountains. - I think we're gonna hit those mountains. - I think we're gonna hit those mountains. - So we keep getting closer, and we're not gaining that much elevation.

And at this point, there's no, even if the full rudder tries to go straight up, there's no way we're clearing these mountains. And your experience as a pilot, that's impossible. - That's impossible. In my limited experience as a pilot. - It's not being a pilot, okay. - We end up flying through the mountains. So we're just like banking. Wherever there's a gap between the mountains, the mountains and the snow are above us. And we are flying through it, and we're like following rivers, and there's waterfalls everywhere. We saw a volcano that had blasted half of the mountain off in the '80s. It was so funny, I turned around and you guys were just like little kids slobbering. You're like, dude, I forgot, I forgot. Yeah, this is Alaska, this is why everyone comes here. It was like epic. - Well, we got to a glacier. Like at some point, we're flying over a glacier. - So we got mountains. - Wait, wait, wait, we're like barnstorming. - A glacier. Like this guy's like banking. - I should say we barely missed a glacier. Almost impacted the glacier. - Yeah, yeah.

- When we landed in the little plane, and we pulled up to the warehouse building, I thought, this is interesting. You know, like getting this truck, they drove us out to some gas. - Yeah, we got truck, all of our stuff, we go to. that's got a hanger there, and other dudes are getting there. And it's like fill out paperwork? - Well, yeah. I remember the first time I saw the planes, and then I realized these are 1951 super cubs. These planes are so old they were built for a time when humans were smaller. - That was true, that was true. - Yeah, that's true. - It was unbelievable. And they're made out of paper almost. - Look, you could literally reach out of the plane and touch the sides of the plane like this. - Yes, yeah. - I mean, my shoulders barely fit inside. I'm doing this to fit inside. But I don't know how you guys would-- - They had to show me, it was like put this foot here, you gotta put your hand there, you gotta lean in with your butt, and then get your leg over the front seat. So the pilot's seat was right against my crotch, and my legs were going down both sides of the pilot's chair. - Oh, you had to stick 'em out. - Yeah.

- Oh, okay. I took my little squatty self buckets. - Yeah, they-- - He asked the guy at one point the capacity of the planes. He had, anyway, later in the trip, he flew in to check out the moose, we'll talk about it later. But I said, hey, what is the capacity in one of these things, he goes, looks at me like I was like, he goes, "We just load 'em up 'til they won't take off." (laughing) But you guys are cowboys, man, cowboys. - So they got three planes. - So three of us get out and log gets left behind, which you feel bad for, but you actually made out with that because we got had time to set up. - When I saw you setting up the tent, I stopped feeling sorry for myself. (laughing) I was like, "Oh, this is perfect." I was just back there getting the last charge on my phone that I was gonna have for 14 days. Well, you guys are setting up the tent. - Well, I took the bullet, I took the bullet on the way back. We'll get into that story a little bit. - Let's stop from deeper reflections if we could before we get into the hunting, which is about what we're gonna go into.

At this point in the trip for you guys, what are you guys thinking here? Is this like, I'm excited? What the hell am I doing here? I'm scared, I'm just tired, I'm worn out. Like what was, when we landed that plane on a quote unquote runway, which was just a top of a hill that was flat, a top of a hill, and we landed that plane, and we got out, what were you guys thinking, what was your mental state? - Well, I was, I mean, the entire trip there, it was just pure adrenaline, because I've been on so many trips with you guys, and it's always fun. And for me, it's like, I don't sit up at night and dream about the next hunting trip. I dream about the next adventure with my friends, 'cause it's always gonna be formative. There's always gonna be laughter. At some point, I know there's gonna be deep conversation. We don't know where it's gonna come from in high adventure. And so I'm all about the adventure, and if hunting is the vehicle to get me there, I'm all in, so pure adrenaline. Then, when I saw where we were landing, he was like, there's the campsite, and I'm looking around, I don't see. - Right, I don't see. - 'Cause I'm looking for another gravel runway,

and there's just nothing. And I used to, when I would describe the trips we've had out west, I always say, oh my gosh, my favorite part is, we'll find a campsite where you look around, and you can't see anything that was made by man. And I realized in Alaska, that has actually never been true up to this point, because there's always been a trail to get there. This is the first time where I was like, oh, this is remote. Like, there's no way to get home without one of these tiny planes. Like, we couldn't walk there, they can't send a truck. - No, nothing. - Like, this is it. It's your flying, or you're not getting back. And so, you know, that was the first time I've ever been out with you guys, where I was like, oh, wow, this is remote. Like, we are in it now. - We do a lot of adventure stuff, and we do a lot of high challenge stuff. And other than the time, we were bush whacking, blazing our own trail up and down the mountains, you know, 10,000, 11,000 feet, snow and whatever. This is by far, this is even more remote than that. And I think this was the only time that I've ever fully realized just how at someone else's mercy we were. - Yeah.

- There was no, if we decided, oh, I, you know, popped my knee out, you know, twist my ankle, it doesn't matter what could be wrong, there was no possible way to hike out of that place. Period. I mean, you would die before you got to anyone else. - Right. - So, yeah, it was one of those things I thought. - Well, and at the end of our trip, we were supposed to go out to one day, and we couldn't, just because of weather, they couldn't get in, the planes, they couldn't get in. But yeah, you, you, Well, you're sitting there for a snap leg for 24 hours 48 hours 72 hours. You ain't going nowhere Right, that's it like we're on a mountain. We can hike down. We can get off get to a trail. No Like we flew in these Laplace. There were no trails there. I mean there were no even I mean there aren't bridal trails They're an ATV trails. There's it's just moss. There's not even grass. You didn't see grass We didn't see a blade of grass for hundreds of miles. So these planes drop you off How long are you out there for and how do you communicate with them to get back? We're there for two weeks and we have Garmin in reaches which Communicate via text over satellite. So you had to pack all the food all the drinks Yeah, the bourbon obviously and everything you're self-sufficient battery chargers for the And they said as a and these guys These are hardy folk right these guys are the toughest people I've ever met and they're just like yeah, so there's a creek over there So we're harvesting water from a Greek for for everything because we're eating dehydrated food Because how do you pack two weeks worth of food that we have no refrigeration we have it's other than the air We're in because it never got above 50 degrees, but yeah, so we were on our own. Okay, so let's just talk about week one What was week one? If you're out there for two weeks did you see see moose? Did you get along like the walk walk me through just the whole ups and downs of that first week? Well

There was a lot of figuring out, you know, like how do you how do you moose on you know? We'd watch videos and stuff and Brian was the the keeper of the of the moose call He actually I was gonna want to bought one or brought one made a necklace and put it around his neck And I can't give you anybody else one moose got now. No, no, you're out. You're fine Which is pretty good because I heard some of your moose calls. What's that like? Well, I could do it right now. You can do it this way, but yeah the moose call is Basically a megaphone that just makes this louder. So it's basically this is a cow call That reminds me of I want to work first good sort of it's basically this you might want to turn this down sound engineer That's what the lady sound like That's the ladies. That's the ladies. I think I just figured out what triggered me I mean it was back on the tundra going oh, no another day So that's a cow call so moose unlike when we've done with elk or Well, even dear You can't go far because there's too damn big to be able to haul back So fortunately you do that and they come to you because it's horny time they they want it so it's horny times They come to you. So that's what that's what you do. You do that and you do scraping and so we did that pretty much every half hour for Two weeks straight. Well what they what they told us clearly and in no uncertain terms was Hunt this ridge like come out come out to the landing strip and Call them in like that's what you do you sit. They said this is a patience game You sit and you call them in. So the very first day since 50 percent of the attendees were tomes We knew we knew a patience case Strip strikes me as like the patient. I don't describe In fairness to brian. We did sit for almost 45 minutes nice and then they were like we got to go over to that other mountain So on day one instead of instead of sitting patiently and calling them in We we hike with the the wind that are back because what we don't want to do is is surprise any moose So with the wind of our back Is much something the entire valley We're walking with the wind and uh, we had our first encounters with the altar brush

and which is this I don't even know how to describe it other than you know, it's uh Typical branches may be what two inches in diameter and it's just like tangled together It's about it's thicker honeysucker. Yeah. Yeah, it's thicker honeysuckle and and it's and you know with honeysuckle There's usually like a narrow base that sort of goes out and this the base is just everywhere So you're really having to like pull it apart to step through it And we the best part was the fact that all of this foliage whether it's altar brush or whatever that we're walking through is sobbing wet Yeah, we've just gotten there It's all taller than all of us they're never going to see us coming and we're never going to know they're there and yeah. So at either end of the quote-unquote runway there was two knobs. So that day we hike it was less than a mile just because it was a higher vantage point and one looked down in the valley. One of the guys said they go up there and I go over there pointing two knobs on either side. So I said we went up we didn't see anything. We didn't see anything up there and we came back down and yeah I'm just trying to scoot us along because I'm having so much fun telling the story of our time. What did you see first? Do you see a bear or a moose? That's a telescope. That was the next full day. We said okay today we're just going, it was the next full day right? Yeah it's day two. Okay today we're gonna do what they said. We're just gonna sit here. So log, we log as I just go over here this side. You sit here. He's looking the opposite side but we were going looking over there. He went, he went no exaggeration. 20 feet. 20 feet from where we had like set up this so our entire shelter outside of these cheap little cabela's tents like four main tents that we gave cabela the shot. I love that day. That tent. I was impressed. I was, we guide this thing out and they were like you want to pull the, the, the, the cowboys told us you're gonna want to guy those out. And I was like I'm listening. If that guy says we got those tents were great but all we had outside of these dome tents that were this weird green color that just made you want to commit suicide being inside of them. It was just the weirdest psychological thing but outside Jake had been smart enough to bring one of these through hiking tarp things. It's like six feet by eight feet. MSR nylon whatever rip stop, rip stop, had some rip stop on and we just tied it with these little lines to the whatever shrubby stuff was around us and four grown men sat in a space probably smaller than this table. Like I said six feet by eight feet for the majority of the

two weeks. That's where we were outside. Yeah. And Steve decided on his expedition to go hunt. He would walk the 20. He would, he would pick up his ultra light camping chair that he brought with him that weighs less than a pound and he would shuffle over 20 feet away and set it down. I was born from Moosan. I was born from Moosan because the elk hunting is, all you do is walk and in Moosan I was like all I have to do is turn my chair around. I'm a hunter. I'm a freaking killer. Steve came in with a hip injury and it never got aggravated because that's how little walking. So there goes the book though. Yeah. And he goes hey BT I was doing something. He said hey bring your, I need a second opinion over here. I'm going second opinion, whatever I'm going. You're you're staring at this most stupid ass place like it's like it's there's not going to be any moose where you're looking. That's not, that's not if I'm going you find your whatever has your things. I've got a pilot come over. I look through my binoculars which were nicer than his and there is a black bear. A big ass black bear. These are not your Gatlinburg. No, no, no. Gatlin burgbears are just big rats. Right. This is a monster animal. Right. It's right. So I'm like we're lugging them. That's a bear. Yeah. Yeah. But he looks pretty good size. And I'm just sitting there and going, are you going to, you're going to shoot them? Because you could, you could exchange your, if you have a moose tag, which is the most expensive thing, instead of having a moose, you could do a bear. So we could have bought a bear tag and a moose tag. Black bear. You can't do up grizzly bear or brown bear unless you're a, unless you have a guide with you or your Alaskan resident. So he said, no, no, I think I'm, I'm, I'm not interested. I said, okay, well, I'm sitting there going, I'm already bored. So I spent 45 minutes, right. I'm going to do just, I'm going to go walk. I'm going to stock this thing. So I went over and Jay came with it. I'm going to go scare this bear. Let's get him. So we walked over and now there was like a knob, a hill. And once we got about, I don't know, very short distance away, then we, I knew we were blocked. So we kind of crept up. We went on this little knob. At this point, we're a hundred yards away. So I probably, we probably walked a hundred yards and now it's another a hundred yards away. Maybe walk 200 yards on the other way. So we got there and looking through the binoculars, Jake and I aren't like, this thing is freaking massive. Yeah. I mean, massive. I mean, at this point, I'm, I'm wondering, I think I want to turn in my mousse tag for this. And then log says, go ahead, take a log. Yeah, they, I mean, neither one of the Jake finally, uh, text and because I wasn't sure what was going on. They had the gun on the tripod, like ready to go on target. And all of a sudden,

they just backed off and we get a text from Jake said that there's a dead bear up here if anybody wants it. Meaning they're not taking the shot. So I go up there and pants and, you know, stuff to keep me warm on, so I'm like stripping all this off. I'm sweating, my heart rates up. By the time I get there, no bear. The bear is down below the alder brush. So Brian says, "Well, why don't we just walk around the alder brush and just sort of, you know, scare it out?" And I'm like, "Because it's a big, it's a big, it's a big, it's a big. And I said, you know, I didn't say that, I was like, uh, yeah, why don't we just stand here, you know? I'm trying to..." And I stayed back glass. Yeah, so, so Judd's on the glass. So finally, it, it comes up out of the, the, the alder brush, but it's, it's like faced away from eating, eating blueberries and then it would face directly towards me and like, I couldn't get this, this broadside, but I was, you know, a shot, but I was ready and I don't know if Jake and, and, and Brian knew the extent to which I was ready because I was like, I'm dialed in and as soon as I get the broadside, and it was, was it larger than you thought? It was way larger than I thought. This thing was, that black bear was, is big is what I imagined a grizzly bear would be. Now the grizzlies are even bigger than that, obviously, but, um, but as soon as it turned broadside, I mean, I, I let loose with that thing and Jake and Pete didn't like nobody was ready. So, so this thing, um, so in my experience with elk, that deal is, you know, you got a bolt action. And so a lot of times with at least my, in my very limited experience, it's like you shoot, you reload quickly because a lot of times they're so confused. They have no idea what just happened.

They'll stand there for a second and give you a chance to get another shot off. So I take the shot, I've reload and while I'm reloading, I'm watching it as soon as I shot that thing, it crumpled and just roll, just boom, boom, boom, boom, roll down the hill. And I can't even describe it. Into the older brush. Into the older brush. Yeah. I can't even describe the elation because like it's toast. And so we're high five and, and I don't know how much time we have to tease this out, but long story short, apparently bears just eat bullets. They just, they just eat them. Like we went back there and there was no sign that there had ever even been a bear. And it wasn't a long shot and it was on a tripod. Like it's, and you absolutely hit them. He went down. We saw them go down. No, I stayed on the glass. So I, so let me just, so we were 600 yards out because I was, I was ranging it. You guys were 200 yards from the tripod to the base. Okay. We finally took the shot before we started the thing that we cannot skip over, which is the gloating. Jake, after you shot it, and I watched it through the glass because I was trying to re-acquire. So I watch it tumble down where I can no longer see it. It's, and you've heard it. I heard the bullet hit the animal, I heard the animal grunt and saw it fall, Paul's up in the air into the older brush. And so after you came back and we got all of our gear to go butcher it, we're hiking back and log immediately, immediately is telling us, well guys, I mean, I don't know what

day you guys are going to get an animal, but I can probably teach you a few things about he is just bragging about his hunting tails, the whole hundreds of yards across the tundra. Yeah. Yeah. And then what we find when we got up there. Nothing. Zero. Yeah. So in the interest of moving on, this is a story about a moose hunt. Yeah. Right. I mean, that's right. We, we do need to move it. Well, we do need to move on, but I would just say this. So what's happening here, and we're getting the moose thing and larger warnings, we realized is we saw how many bears did we see five or six and five or six bears, especially for us a couple of days. The reason was our theory is we're doing, uh, uh, ah, we're doing the cow and all these bears going, who there's weak female moose up there that I can eat. So they're all coming to us the next day. I am down in our normal camp. I walked to the edge of the landing strip, start doing call and there is a grizzly bear standing up, standing up, you know, his guy's hands beside, he's standing up, he's looking at me. He's about 50 yards away. And I do not have a gun. I don't have my, my pistol on me. I don't have a, I, cause you're, you're, you're loading the complacency and you're just doing these calls and you're seeing nothing like I'm just, I could sit here a hundred yards away and do this.

And that's massive grizzly bears looking at me and I back up, get out of view and I run to my son, I go, Jake, Jake, Jake, come here, you're gone, come here, and he comes over his legs, lever action 45, 70 ready and we saw the bear and he was fine with that. That was kind of, it was that stuff going on. Yeah. Yeah. Before we get to the, the, the big moment, the agenda of the hunting stuff, I mean, we're missing anything or not talking about anything that we should be giving people a sense of the environment or anything like that. Yeah. the hill there was a top of the hill where they had knocked down some trees previously landing i think they had landed there before but that i mean there was no landings right yeah i think we undersold the amount of rain we experienced too like it was well there's no grass it's just 70 percent of the time the earth is running on us the earth is covered in moss where else are you that the earth is covered in moss right the rain forest you know what i mean so go ahead well i i think let's get to the moose quickly but also like you guys are out there for two weeks all together just the four of you do you guys all get along the whole time are there relational ups and downs somebody lose their shit i mean i've been on a bike trips with all you guys know somebody's gonna have a hard day somewhere in there so like are there any i think that stuff is just as interesting as as the moose that you got like what's the dynamic this whole time uh we have one blow up uh late in the trip which is always predictable five twelve late in the trip always whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa let's not rewrite history now it's normally you blowing up on me yeah yeah that's right okay that's right that's right yeah so yeah but it only happens every chair it's always it's always towards the end we were pretty proud of each other we we lasted

twelve days that's a record it's a record right exactly man you know we were great friends and yeah and no it was a great hang the whole time i mean yeah that's that's also why i brought so much bourbon is raining fine we're sitting here and drinking bourbon and smoked cigarettes and chewed tobacco and just have fun we have just well i think that's an interesting part is because we do this so much together there's no when you said rainup guys were hitting you up like i'll go with you look absolutely not right i'm not doing that trip with anybody else i mean cray came yeah but there is the the the number of folks i would even think about embarking on that because we were need and need right from the time our eyes open to that time our eyes closed for two weeks yeah i mean with mostly monotony yeah you know what i mean and so the fact that we did only have one blow up oddly enough me for for one time um that's a testament to just how many reps we've had doing this and how we've built the understanding of what it feels like to sit under a tarp right with with our knees touching like can let me hand you the jetboil and it's you know i'm touching your elbow right and i think i i mean i i could do a weekend trip with yeah there might be a hundred people in my life that would be like oh yeah or maybe more but when you're doing two weeks under those conditions it's like you have an inner circle that you're like i know that's going to be awesome yeah i know it's going to be awesome and it was i mean you're going to be two weeks close quarters you're you're smelling each other smells all week long you're you're sharing cups utensils you don't have a bite of that or bite of that you're you know you're sharing each other's you know you're one of the one guy's spitting in your mouth because he's like a cigarette he likes to spit in my mouth i spit and the one took it too because all right let's talk about the moose what's the moment

what's like how many days in we were in we were i don't know what eight or nine eight or nine we're we're we're frustrated we're bored for me eight or nine days in i'm in the zone of i just need to have a half decent day here because i'm not seeing anything and none of us are going to tap out before we're gone so they start teaching me yuker it's raining every day it's kind of a little bit of rain so we're in doing um well and we had seen just set the scene like on day four five we had seen two moose a 70 inch or and the 50 inch or according to the guides at the time and now we're on like a five day stretch of you saw but they're too far away or and you couldn't get a shot yeah well that's not that's not exactly true that's this day that's this day yeah so we flew in uh i didn't see him but all you guys saw a bunch of moose you i did not see them you yeah i saw some you and jake saw moose on the way in and that's why you can't you can't hunt moose the first day you you fly in um but we hadn't seen them but so we knew we were encouraged like the first day or check oh oh they're right here they're right here so we're in doing yukers of uh patter of fatter of rain that's happening and we hear playing come in and it's the the outfitter needs some signatures and he said uh one of the work one of the workers said just said just said like boy prime day for hunting we're going prime day for hunting are you sure because they can't they can't tell us anything yeah are you sending us signals was that a signal was that not a signal so we uh you know after we saw them all like eh maybe we should go out man we should go do some calls so then then we're like And we start calling. Like, just, we have hope for the first time in the nine day. They're like, "Oh, it's something to do." We're like, "What was that thing you said about hope?"

You even made a, like a biblical reference to hope about how much it would, when you realized how much it inflated all of our spirits. - Hope deferred. - Hope deferred, yeah. - The Bible talks about the curse of hope deferred. Like, when you don't even, when hope is deferred, you don't have hope yet. - Right. - That's how we were. - Right, right. - We were at that point, we were just like, "This is a dude, Joe, we're just drinking bourbon, hanging out." We were gonna do the hunting, but I think our expectations are really low before that, right? - Yeah. - Yeah, I think so. - Right. - Yeah. So we went out and we split up on either side of the hill, me and Jake on one side, those guys are outside, basically looking into the area where we thought that was most likely for moose and who wants to take it from there? - Well, I saw for the first time something, you know, we've been out there for a week and you start to, something happens in your brain where it's like, you start to recognize, okay, what's normal?

And all of a sudden, for the first time as I'm glassing and I'm sweeping across, I see white. And I'm like, I don't know what that is, but it's not normal, just a little flash of white. And so I look at it and I said, "Joe, Joe, do you see that?" And I said, "It's kind of weird." And then all of a sudden, this little flash of white became a patch of white, like, looked like the size of a legal pad. And so we're both kind of looking at it and it's crazy 'cause these animals are the size of a small bus and they disappear. The second they, it's like field of dreams. As soon as they walk into the forest, they just vanish. And all of a sudden, this moose turned its head and somehow it just suddenly you could see the outline, like it just revealed and it looked prehistoric. - Yeah, that thing was much better than I both got chills. - I mean, both of us separately simultaneously, like, in it, like, as though it was about to kill it. (laughing) It was that big. It was, yeah, that thing was monstrous. - It was huge. It was huge. So we got on the radio and you saw 'em in the area where Jake and I were probably, what, 600 yards apart? - Yeah, that's about right. - And they were headed, there were two moose there

and they headed into the woods what looked like your direction. So that's why we radioed you guys. And then immediately you had one. - Right. - You said, we're on it. - Okay, yeah. - And then we saw, or I saw a third one heading down valley sort of east of our position from the south to southeast, which we never saw again. - Yeah. - But go ahead. - So it comes up, we see what it comes out, we're calling 'em, just like I've been calling. He's like, oh, I think I want to go over there. Moose don't care, they have no fear of actually, locals are more afraid of moose than they are bears. Because they're, they can be aggressive. And he's coming up, he's, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. And trying to get a good look at him. And then we gotta look at 'em and big deal is make sure it's 50 inches tip to tip on the antlers. And I just wasn't sure. And he was there, broadside at 100 yards, just real, 'cause they have horrible eyesight. And he's there, doesn't know I'm there. Luke Jake are there. Jake took a picture, and we passed on him. I just didn't, and then we went back to the campsite and looked at the picture with all the techniques

that we learned with the videos you have to take to qualify for license. And you guys were both like, yeah, that was-- - There was no doubt in my mind. I said, BT, as soon as you showed me the picture, I said, I would have, I definitely would have taken that shot. You're like, well, but even with fines. And I'm like, that is a no-datter. - No, I actually said no. And you were shocked at that. And then I think that's what Paul-- - Before the picture. When you saw the picture, you just-- - No, no, no, no, yeah, no. Okay, 'cause everything I read, it's either the four brow tines or 50 inches. So if you have four brow tines, it doesn't matter about 50 inches, but if you don't, you have to have, and I was like, everything I read said, unless you have experience or are a guide or with a guide, do not try to just eyeball that, 'cause everybody gets it wrong. And I'm like, we have, between the four of us have 0.00-- - Oh, but we've been out there for a week. - Well, okay, but then the case was made, and then the case was made, and I agreed with this at this point. What's the fine?

You text Jeremy and said, hey, what is the penalty? 500 bucks, loss of hunting privileges in Alaska for a year. First of all, $500 at this point, that's a rounding error on it. This doesn't matter at all. And a year in Alaska, are we gonna be back up there in a year, does it? So, with you weighed the options, not that you wanna take a bad shot, but the risk was tolerable when you realized it's not, we thought it could be like 10 grand in a year in general. they take your truck, your rifle, your, I mean, if you shoot the wrong elk, it's a big deal. So anyway, once we established what the risk really was, you made it, I think everybody said, yep. - And then I was depressed about it, I should have taken it, I should have taken it. This is such a great story, I wish we had another half hour, we don't. But I'll cut to the end of it. The next day we ended up seeing him, took him down. I'd love to tease it out, I just have other things we want to talk about here today. - Took him down, all hands on deck, we went down and skinned the animal. - Took him down at eight p.m. - Was it eight p.m. - Yeah, until I told Logan, seven, I was like, I got about another 30 minutes and I'm not pulling that trigger, unless the thing is about to hit me,

you know? And then we see it and then you get in position and then you take the shot, I look down, it's like 8.05. That's where they're at, it's almost one o'clock in the morning. - Right, one o'clock in the morning, doing all the skin the high, taking the quarter off, gutting it, all that stuff. - So we hide, you killed it and it went into the bushes, shrubs, foliage, whatever. So we go down with our kits to go do all this butchering, we're going into the Bears House, we're walking into the Bears House, where we've seen Bears, we know they're Bears here, we're walking into the Bears House to prepare the Bears' favorite meal. (laughing) - It's black dark, everybody, every hiking thing you see is like don't take toothpaste in your tent, don't take deodorant in your tent, if you cook food, don't take those clothes in your tent, we spent four hours knee deep in the blood of this animal's favorite food and then walked directly back to our tents and went to bed. (laughing) - They're so tired. - We're like painting ourselves an ode to moose, you know what I mean, like come get some moose. - Yeah, anyway, that's a good story telling, that's good. Yeah, so yeah, it was exhausting, but we're excited,

we all got to do something, then the next one we're gonna go hike it out. So the next morning we went down, first one went really well, we first trip, we got the first trip, which is basically all the legs, all the quarters, got it up, no problem, it looked like there was two more trips which means it's just me and Jake, so Jake and I go down to get the finished off, which is meat bags and the head and cape, which by Alaskan law, you can't take the head and cape out first, it's honoring the life of the animal, get the meat out first, and then you could take that out, it's kind of a reward, and the guy who pulls the trigger, that's what he wants to do, he's supposed to be the guy. And he wants to be the guy, and I just couldn't, it was too heavy, I couldn't do it, we didn't get enough meat off the hide, the cape was just freaking heavy and it was awkward, and I could do it for about, I don't know what we decided, 30 yards, maybe I just told my son, I can't do it, so we switched packs, his pack was still heavier than the previous pack, it was the first thing in my life I ever wanted to do that I couldn't do, I could not, I could not carry that thing up the hill, and it's not that far, how far do you think from the kill site today? - Half a mile. - Half a mile, in terms of elk hunting and stuff, you dream for a half mile pack out, dream.

It's a straight shot up up hill, not a mountain up a hill. - Yeah, wait a minute now, the best terrain, the best terrain, the only thing I've been able to explain to people is if you took this room, covered the floor with bowling balls, and then covered those bowling balls with mattresses, and tried to walk on that, that's the best terrain you've got. And then you've got hillocks, and you've got shrubs trying to get me, this was not walk up, walk up a half a mile slope. It took us 45, 50 minutes to go up that thing. - That's right, 'cause when I did the 30 yards, I said, yeah, I think I did, I got across a creek, I could go through the bushes, I could, you know, so. So that was a moment for a emotional moment for me to realize, you know, I'm handing the torch of the most physically competent to my son, which he's been the most physically competent for quite some time now. But this was like the thing that drove it, and the thing like, oh man, he is past me. He is past me. And the first thing in my life I ever wanna do physically, I could not do. There's no question I could have done that, 30, 40, 50. And I'm, I think I'm as strong as I ever been. I feel that way, but I do feel that life as strong as I ever been, but like, how would you look at the first thing in my life I ever could not do that I wanna do physically?

Yeah, when you work out, yeah, you're not gonna get the last rep, you're not gonna get your max, you're doing it, but that's probably working out. But this is like the first motorcycle trips, hunting trips, whatever, hike a Nicaraguan to the top of a volcano, if I got this, couldn't do it. So that was a, that was actually a cool moment. It was heartbreaking not to be able to get up. It was cool for me and my Jacob, me and my son, and these guys were, they were jeers on and just wanted to keep it. Is that the thing? Or is there something else that's even bigger than that? Well, that's the story I tell the most frequently. So I guess that's what I take. Yeah, I guess that's what I take hand handing off the next generation, right? Which is probably another podcast we ought to do of my day job of crossroads, handing off to the next generation to a spiritual son of mine. Yeah, I was thinking that while I was doing that, like I can't do this and there's other things I probably shouldn't do. So that for for me, that's that's the enduring lesson. Have it for you guys. Yeah. Well, as soon as Jud said, because Jud's you know in the glass, he said, Oh, Jake's carrying the trophy. And I knew what that meant. I'm watching this and I've never seen you look so miserable, just like, like wasn't sure at some point you were going to make it up the hill. Yeah, I was carrying the meat bags. They were heavier than I had the rear quarter before, so it was still hard.

But to see like this on the one hand, it's like, Oh man, that's sad. And on the other hand, it's like, Oh man, that's beautiful. Yeah. That is so beautiful. And you had talked about, you know, the story of, you know, on the beach and Jake and you went over that on the weekend, but it was one of the, that's why I got my phone out. I was like, BT is probably going to be mad. He's not in the mood for this, but I got to capture this because it was this, this sadness and beauty all in this, like this moment, it was this really, really powerful moment seeing father and son come up here and we knew even though we didn't see the actual transfer happen. Interesting. But I knew what had happened. I knew how important that was to you and there's no way Jake is bringing that trophy up the hill. If you have a one in a thousand chance of making it. Yes. I knew that. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Judge, you got anything you take away from this? Yeah. I don't know. I've been going on these strips for years and I'd really, I'm not like super like, I got to pull the trigger guy. I just always wanted to be a part of a team that we had an objective. We figured out a way to do it. We made a plan.

Okay. We got an animal now. We got to do all this other stuff. And I got to do every bit of that even though the moose ended up being undersized. So, you know, a lot of the trophy and all that disappeared. But I got to do every bit of that and it was just awesome to sit down regularly. Yeah. You were like, you finally got to do that because all the elk we didn't see elk. Right. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Every time, you know, even the elk last year in Colorado that you took on the other side of that ravine. I mean, I watched you do it, but then you got texted to put him on the horse. Like I didn't get to, I wasn't a part of any of that, you know. Right. So I kind of, I didn't, I'm not that I was cheat. I was very happy that you got the animal, but selfishly, I didn't get anything out of that hunt. And this one I did, even though you selfishly, you know, you didn't get to carry the thing up and then you lost it or whatever. But no, I think that's just something, I think it's real special to think about who are you willing to sacrifice for? Mm. You know, is there anybody in your life that you're like, I get joy. I don't have kids. So maybe this is just a new epiphany for me because I don't live in that dad mode. But like I was super, dude watching you and Jake, especially with thinking about my dad

and our relationship, it was just, it was beautiful. I don't want to start crying talking about it, but it was that moment in him coming up behind you. And like it was, I can't even, it was, it was the most beautiful father son moment I've ever witnessed. Yeah. He, he, I looked at the video you showed. He was definitely hurt and he was gassed. Yeah. And he was definitely letting me be first up the hill too. Absolutely. Absolutely. He was letting me have that. He was letting me have that, which was a really sweet thing of empathy on his part. You know, yeah, the, yeah, our, yeah, our relationship has, has always been great and it, uh, it was a special moment that I'll cherish forever. Yes. Great. The last thing, the last question I have for you guys is maybe it's kind of a two-parter. One thing I've seen all three of you guys do, uh, and, but I've heard you say it, Brian, is you don't really have a bucket list. You just got a to do list. I've seen you guys live that. I would love to hear you guys talk about why, why do you do that? For the sake of the people who are listening who might have a bucket list of things that they've never done. And then also to that point, like you said, who are you, who's, who's worth sacrificing for? I know maybe it's not, you know, I don't know, sharing with everybody, but I know you paid for Jake to go on this trip and this is not a cheap trip.

Like, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Why, why make these choices? Why lean in? You guys want to go first or me to go first? I mean, yeah, uh, the reason I have a to do list rather than a bucket list is because I just know, uh, I'm going to let Steve hit the line, but I, if I don't put it on the so You can't look up I my wife and I sit down Danny and I sit down every year and by the end of February at the latest We have over landing trips hunting trips motorcycle trip all this stuff We're gonna try and do is on the calendar and then everything else folds in around it Otherwise we wouldn't do any of it You know you look up you can't decide in June to go on an epic adventure in July that doesn't work You can't I mean, you can't do that. So I know that those trips are super meaningful and Transformative for me and have been and I know I got a prioritizing. So that's what yeah if if I don't Proactively exercise agency With my time and my schedule and my resources Just like everyone else I get swept along by the tyranny of whatever is urgent or Whatever is important to someone else And so you know with my family with my close friends a lot of times a year out I put a stake in the ground and say everything in my life has to conform to this And if you don't do it that way Then you know you wake up ten years later, and you're like, yeah, I really wanted to do that You know you're taking control of your life and of your of your calendar, right? And the thing is I know a lot of dads got to because we're doing all these bike trips and all different adventure stuff We're inviting guys into it. I talked to a lot of people who feel like that sounds selfish Well, I'm a dad. I gotta I gotta check the kids sports calendar first. Oh wait a second pause Do you want to take a weekend maybe a long weekend maybe a week of your life and be a better dad?

Or do you just want to be a dad and be there at everything that nobody remembers in ten years? You know like when when you went on the bike trip the last time you're like, oh, I got all this kid stuff And you're like, you know what but when I go on these bike trips my kids know I did a bike trip and there's right Yeah, so I mean, you know what this all about. I'm just saying it's not a selfish thing You you can only give what you have to give so go refill yourself and stretch yourself and grow yourself and be a better dad Yeah, right. I think it's huge what you said Steve that somebody else is gonna fill your calendar. Something else is important to somebody else What's important to you right go do that? Yeah, I read a book the last year that led to finally making this trip happen And I'm trying to get them on the podcast. I Don't remember his name. I just remember the book. The book was called die with zero It really turns the financial philosophy of our age on its ear, which is really Financial philosophy of save money save money retire with money don't want our money at the end of your life save Say how much did I say but just more just there's set percentage of your of your paycheck just save more How much what if I have x y z doesn't matter to save that whatever whatever it is and the guys really was really impactful the book he said One if you're saving money for things that require you to be active like you want to go to Paris and walk the city Well, you better do that before you can't walk the city So you retire and you've got all kind of money to do that, but you're limping around you have a bad knee I mean, there's this thing. He said what why you have the physical ability to do things Do it do it while you can do that, right? And you know, I'm I just turned 61 like I said right or say I'm in the twilight of my physical activity But yeah time has taken down. They'll come a time when I Won't be able to haul a front quarter up let alone a you know a trophy or something like that And the second the second big thing in the book that really hit me was was Said you know if you're saving money saving money, let's be really clear most of our listeners are not gonna Do is because they're not in hunting and if they are they can't afford this. This is many thousands of dollars You know the airfare there the two private planes the outfitter the the tags the all your gear It's I suppose assuming you already have all your gear. This is one trip for me where I said

I don't want to buy any new gear. I got so much gear. I love buying gears kind of part of the thing for the trip I actually like that, but it's like this one's been so much money. I want to see if I could actually go Just on what I already own and what do you know I could amazing so the one thing the guy says in the book is If you're going to he says no what your end point what what what is the amount of money you actually? Need not want like need need at the end and then He says if you're going to give your your kids any sort of inheritance They probably rather have you give it to him right now Whatever you can because you die they're 50 at that point. They got life figured up when they're 20 30 They don't have life figured out. They can't figure out a Down payment on a house. They've got college saves for Okay, all of us would like more money of 50, but most of what you got, the big rocks kind of settled. And when I read that, I thought, I thought, I really want to go with my son. I do not want to do this trip without my son. So I paid his way. I said, I'm going to put it on pay that way. Now, he still did his airfare tickets, which was nice. He did Uber. He still cared some way, but I paid that because I told him, I don't want to do this without you. And I have some savings, and I want to spend the savings because I want to experience this now and this memory now with you. And I'm so thankful that I did. And that's what I'm hoping our listeners get out of this and keep giving us questions, is I want us to go from beyond, oh, what's hunting like to what is my life that I want to live, and how should I bring that into reality? That's the aggressive move, right? Yeah, and to your point, I would imagine most people watching, listening, don't care

about hunting, which I mean, I don't really care too much about, I mean, I just like to do challenging things. And whatever that means, that could be, gosh, go hike Daniel Boone. I mean, it doesn't have to be an extravagant thing, it doesn't have to be, I can just tell you that you're, you know, you're going to wake up and be unable to do those things, be unwilling to do those, there's just time, the adventure doesn't come find you on the couch. I don't care how much Netflix adventure stuff you watch, whatever the thing is, if you want to do it, at some point, you have to figure out how to do it, and nobody's going to figure it out for you. Nobody's going to come and give you an itinerary and say, here you go, nobody's going to invite you into this thing. I mean, you have to get off your couch and put yourself in situations, whether that means I'm going to be around people who are in a bird watching club, and we're going to go, I'm the most rare bird in Southern California, or whatever it is, you don't have to figure it all out from zero, but you have to at least make an effort towards the thing, you know? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You guys do a great job of modeling what it means to be real friends, and what it means to be people who are like, you know what sounds awesome? And then say, okay, let's put it on the calendar, so I'm thankful for you guys, and for sharing your story. That's great. Well, leave us to the end, and we'll talk when we have a little more time, but the last story I think I would share is, well, okay, we've got one animal down, it was too small, and we worked hard, but that was the trip as far as the hunting was concerned, and then they came in and to pick us up and take us, supposed to go this one day, and they couldn't get in. I said, after we had broken down, our camp, everything was broken down by like 7 a.m.,

and then it was like, we're not going to make 1030, we're going to try for 1230, and then around noon, which is almost 1230, especially in my head, you know, I'm like, oh, that we're already late, you know, they're like, we're pushing it back with no date, no time, no nothing. We're about 6 p.m., 6 p.m., we get the text on the side of the thing. Not today, boys. We'll try it tomorrow. And I don't know if this is related or not, but that was around the time, Judd, that is blow up on me. But you guys know, I'm a little bit weird when it comes to time. I had to connect with you. That's exactly it. Somebody is late. Somebody is late. I mean, don't be late. My 12 was here 15 minutes before this thing started, I was 15. I was here half everywhere this time. I'll let you know I was here 15 minutes before. No, that's good. Anyway. So that was the next day, like, oh my gosh, now we've got to pull out all of our sleeping bags and re-blow up our pads, and our stuff just stinks. And we were never dry. Never dry. We were never dry. That was any time. I got home. It was attacking my dry stuff from the back, and I'm like, this is all wet. Yes. Yes.

That's why moss grows there. You're not gray. No, you're right. It's just wet all the time. So then we're unpacking, and oh my gosh, you got to sleep, go go to sleep, go to the morning, we're going, is it going to happen now, is it, is it? And it did. It did. And they came in, and they took, they had three planes. It was going to be the same deal, same deal. And there was no way I was going to have Log be the last guy out. And Jake said, "Hey, do you want me to?" I said, "Absolutely not." I mean, I thought of the trip. I worked. I said, "No. I'm going to be the last man out." So they, all those three got in, they got all their stuff in, these three planes take off. Wait, wait, wait, wait. And you were armed with a tarp, right? They didn't have a gun? They like threw a carpet. No, no, stupid ass me. No, I don't even have my gun or nothing, I don't have my, by the largest handgun made demand. I spent them less than 500. Look the juxtaposition of this we didn't know because they're the communication with these guys. They're cowboys That was tear it was it was tear and as somebody who also treasures communication. So I talk all the damn time Is is I was like these guys haven't told us anything so we just know they're coming

Well, and here's one plane and we've been here in phantom planes all morning. I said play Okay, so finally here's a plane we see it little flash and lights It's coming in the distance towards the landing strip I think there's only one plane who's going first. He's like I'm go I'll get it The master status he's like working out all the scenarios the orbs figured it out three days like first plane I'm getting on the first one. He's gonna make it. Who knows about you know somebody's got to live to tell this tale Then the other two planes land and we're loading all the stuff and the guy drops it on us that The Jeremy the the guy running the outfit or whatever. He's like huh Looks like the last guy's gonna spend his time breaking down tents. We're like what? Yeah, you got to get those tents down. We have to break down your tents. He's like, yeah, they got to get back to Again, no communicating. So we and all fours jump on we break down the tents breaking over this Okay, you got the tents packed up cuz we're like, are they gonna leave us like it's like your driver's like I'm taking off man I was here. You weren't ready. So like no, don't leave us. I mean I had hung from the wheels. So We pack all over all the gear up everything's packed. Yeah, and we had we packed the day before we would had to reset up tents And everything else not just our sleeping stuff anyway We pack we pack all the shelter all the everything up We're they're they're threading the needle of weather to come get us in these little paper glider things that they've got right So we pack everything up. They all get in the plane and we're taking off a look down. There's a little beachy It's like to be him Whether it could have come in at any moment again, right any moment again, and I'm there with nothing but my ring gear I'm there. That was a real possibility. He told you to keep a tarp. I thought he said yeah, the the blue Tarped it. Yeah Covered in blood Tarp right. Yeah, I could wrap myself in a burrito Yeah in there thing, but when those got those planes that when they came in it When was blowing you dudes those planes? Yeah, they hit a tree his wing hit the one tree, right a little little sapling wasn't but to hit it It was like oh gosh, you can be okay on there off And then it got quiet And I went oh This is alone like I've watched that too. Yeah, I am alone Alone I mean I am alone, and then you start getting freaked out you start going

And not not to be spiritual here But that's one of the one of the one of the coping strategies you have to have when you're when you're having fear is you have to figure What do I do to get beyond my fear? Because I've got it the Bible says take every thought captive so you got to take that period I grab I got it I got I take that thought captive and then I've got to apply scripture to it so What I did is but wait, I am not alone I Have the presence of the most high God that lives inside of me, and he knows my name I'm a treasured son of God and he's always have me. He's gonna have me for this. It's gonna be fine You just keep thinking those thoughts, and you keep having that positive attitude while you wait And Twitter your thumbs. There's no chair. There's a mr. Standing I don't I don't think we can properly describe How absolutely screwed you would have been that if those planes had had a mechanical issue if the weather had because it changed every 10 minutes the weather was different it was constantly so Again, that's why Steve's like I'm taking the first opportunity that here because you were I mean you had not you you had no food There was no all the food was gone. You had water coming out of the creek. I don't even know if you had your filter with you We've we've taken everything. Yeah, you were in a bloody tarp You would have slept under a bloody how long how long do you have to wait? It wasn't long an hour, maybe yeah But it wasn't the waiting an hour and being alone for an hour wasn't the problem the problem was How long is it going to be it's going to be one three five seven a day two days? That was the thing because there's nothing they can do with those weather patterns. Yeah, that's not anxiety That's reality. Yeah, I mean it easily could have been two or three. You don't know you just have no idea right right right so It was guys that was that was the most And any any chance I have to be around you guys I want to take that all the time Yeah, and I want that for all of our listeners. I want I want all of us to have whatever your form of friendship looks like and I'm blessed to have you guys. I'm very rich because of you guys and It was great being with you and I want everyone to have a taste of that. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, great Very good. I think that that's all my questions. I think we're out of I think we're out of time. Yeah

All right, who met the guy that pooped his pants in there. All right, right This is just a kind of a general for anybody did anybody take a dump in their pants Like in their sleeping bag On the on the third night of the trip interesting Does that I mean I don't think it was a dump. I don't think it was a dump. Maybe it was an aggressive shark So yeah at o-dark 30 inside the green suicide tent wrapped in my little snugg the only the only glimmer The only glimmer of comfort was inside that sleeping bag After you've got you would go to bed. So first of all we wore waiters all day every day Yeah, or text pants all day every day Gore text boots So your feeders had neoprene booties inside your way inside your boots You pull your feet out after a day of whatever you're doing and there's moisture on your Need everything will sock. So I'd have to put an alpaca sock over my wool sock So that my body heat would dry the sock out by the next day so I could start all over again at least in dry socks Right cuz we don't have 15 pair of socks. Mm-hmm. Where do we have 15 pair of skivvies or 15 pair of long johns? We just have what we got like two or 15 packs of wife Plenty of wife turns out anyway. Yeah, so no socks a guy - two underwear is too long johns That's it. You can't afford the space right right right and then layers. Hopefully you have enough layers Which somebody showed up in Alaska without enough layers. It's never enough layers, but Steve. Did you shit your pants? No, I did not So yeah, so yeah, there may have been a midnight accident. Everybody's got a little trade-offs So what do you do when you short your pants at three o'clock in the morning in the Alaskan wilderness? I guess you just try and sleep it off. You just sleep it Because your body's gonna dry it out Then you can go do some housekeeping more like 11 more days to go that's a little tip for 512 if you're Let me tell you what you don't want to do You don't want to un-sleeping bag yourself Whatever camp shoes or whatever footwear you've got to go out into the wet raining tundra to then go You're gonna do the same thing. You're literally stewing in your juices. Yes, literally. Which is better than stewing in the world's juices outside Well, it's been great. Thanks guys for taking the time to come in Windex awesome great job

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