The "Normal" Sin Jesus Never Forgives (Are You Doing It?) | #059 | Unlearned Wisdom

or failing a sin? Does God forgive repeated sins? And towards the end, we'll be uncovering whether or not a Christian can actually stop sinning. Can they actually stop sinning? Who knows? Welcome to another podcast with yours, Truly Pastor Johnny Chang, where each episode is a gospel-centered lesson that you could apply to your life today. - Today, like, comment, and subscribe. - And? - There's an app out. Everyone download the new app. - And? - Text in after, it's a 3-2-3-6-1-3-3-5-7-7. If you wanna go to free live events and you're sitting-- - And listen to the audio. Come on, man. You have one line every week. - And download the audio. - And download and listen to the audio, guys. So, yeah, today I kinda chose this topic because I was meeting with some pastors over the weekend in Florida. And I started to see that the common question for a lot of these pastors, there's a guy that, I'm not gonna say which one, but he's not in our network, but he was a pastor who is kinda like very dear to us.

And Bro was like struggling with certain sins that he has not given up. I don't think it was a lustful thing. I think for him though, it was more of like, he doesn't lust. It's not like not lust, but it is also like not not lust, if that makes sense, right? So, he doesn't like watch porn or do any of those things. But in his mind, he kind of thinks about more like, what if the grass was greener on the other side? But not in a way where he wants to leave his wife, Pestora. It's more of like, did I marry the right person? Like, because church told me to it, or was it really because I wanted to be with that person? - That's a scary thought. - It's a tough question. I'll see him, like he'll kinda like have that energy of like, well, what if I was with this girl versus like my girl? It's like this thing. - Yeah. - Right? - How long have they been married for? How does this guy? - 20, some years. - Dang. - Is that just the whole 20 years or recently? - No, he's recently. So he's just been like, yo, I don't know what it is. And he kept the vulnerable with me, which was really good, which I thought was crazy.

But that made me think about like, man, there are people who are saved, and they're still like struggling with thoughts like this, right? - Mm-hmm. - And it's like, I honestly, not that I was stumped, but I kinda sat there and I was like, man, let me try to read Pastor's Heart, because it wasn't like, it's weird when, okay, it's easy when you can guide somebody who's not a pastor, 'cause you're a pastor, you guide somebody who's not a pastor, it's just you. When it's like a pastor guiding another pastor, it gets tricky, right? - Yeah. - Because you're just like, they know what they know, you also know what you know, and then it's kinda difficult to find that middle ground. But anyways, it was what incited kinda what this episode was about. There's a lot of people not just like that pastor, which I appreciate that pastor for being vulnerable, but there are a lot of people who struggle with sins and think that the struggle like him and the failure is like what sin is, right? Like he kind of had this energy of like, I can't struggle and I shouldn't be thinking like this, that's what the sin is, right? First is like actually going out and sinning, right? So I wanted to kind of peel those layers back, but personally, it made me think also about when I was sinning, like number one,

I thought a lot of these pastors were so much better than I was, because although they may not have biblical salvation, and this is not no disrespect to them, we hashed that out and he realized that, you know, he had like a little bit of wrong thinking when it came to salvation. But prior to that, I was like, dude, these guys are so much better than me because they don't even act on it. When I first got saved, I acted on everything. Bro, I remember like telling this pastor and his, he looked at me and he was just like, bro, I don't have any problems compared to you. Like, so I told him basically that, I was like, you know a pastor? I was literally smoking a doobie, like I was smoking a blunt, and I was saved at this time. It wasn't a pastor, but I was saved, and I was with my homies. I was with Whisper, and I was with a couple of homies. And I was like, smoking, and I was like, you know, you guys gotta like not trust your thoughts. You gotta like follow the word of God. You know, we're perfected. And the homies were like, bro, what kind of coal are you in? Why are you smoking and telling me that your rights isn't perfected? So I told him that, and the passages looked at me like,

I don't think this is the right, he like, this isn't the right thing. - You should be taking advice from this guy. - Yeah, but after that, I was able to see like, addiction and obviously the, the bumpies and like the drinking and then the lust. Like I was like, man, how do I, how do I say that I'm a Christian when I'm going through all of these things, right? But the beautiful thing about, um, just walking through that journey is that over time, some things quit cold Turkey, like smoking Sigs was gone right away, smokey weed, didn't go away right away. Um, uh, watching, you know, porn and things like that went away right away, but lusting towards women physically still was there. Uh, what else did I tell them? Um, the drinking aspect. So I would still kind of drink a little bit, but like that, I would say was pretty, pretty kind of went away without much fight and, and then anger was difficult for me, like I would still pop off. I would, I would be like, yeah, we're right. And then as soon as someone challenged me, oh my, just like still struggle with that. And until this day, I think there's parts of it where I still struggle with, but not as much as before. Thank God, but having that heart to heart with the pastor made me kind of think like, Oh, this is going to be a good topic for like other people to actually hear about, you know, so at the end of the day, um, I, I, I think we're super, what I told the pastor, which unlocked it for him was we always have our own standards and expectations on what we should be doing at a specific time. So for example, I said to the pastor, you're even married for 20 plus years, you

have this expectation that you should not think like that. But I'm sure if you open up the brains of a lot of other pastors, I'm sure that they also feel some type of way like that too. They may not say it, but I think deep down, they may feel like that too. And so what pastor Kim told me all the time, even though I would be struggling was he would, he would go, Johnny, I really love that you share your heart about you struggling though, whereas like a lot of people would be like, yes, pastor, yes, pastor, yes, pastor, but don't share their heart as to what they're actually struggling with. Whereas me, it was like, I couldn't help but share it because I was like, how do I get over that I hate feeling like this? You know, so I see that a lot in core of the heart. And I think the simple act of just sharing your heart is what actually alleviates and allows you to like overcome any type of problem. Because if you don't share your heart, like the pastor hasn't been sharing with other people, I guess he was vulnerable enough to share with me. He was holding on to it for like a little while. And I can see that it was eating at him. And every time that I held things in, it ate at me really, really heavily too. It's interesting that he's struggling with like, maybe this regret of, should I have gotten married or maybe regret having thoughts about other women? But really the, and he considers that the sin, but you're saying, no, the sin is more his guilt of even thinking that's the sin, which is super interesting. Well, that's what he said. He's like, am I sinning then because that's that was his question. Like, am I sinning because I'm struggling? And I was like, yo, I haven't had that asked in a very long time. So I was like, that's got to be the first, like, that's got to be the first question I have to answer, right? He's like, so me struggling, Johnny and me thinking like that and me

failing, because if my wife was to know what was in my head, I would, she would 100% be like, yo, what she feels some type of way about it. Right. So right. I was like, no, the fact that you're so I told him, no, the fact that you're struggling is proof that you're saved. Right. And then he was like, huh, like what an interesting concept. He literally just said, that's an interesting concept. Can you explain further? I'm like, think about it, right? And I told him if like sin has to doesn't resist itself, right? Like sin has an opponent, which is like righteousness and good. So if you're feeling struggle in the sin, that means there's a resistance here. What is that resistance coming from? It's coming from good. Right. And so, um, he was able to kind of conceptualize that and be like, oh, the fact that I'm sitting, the fact that I'm struggling, I mean, is proof that like there is some kind of resistance to my sinning versus like, and I explained to him before I received salvation, I literally would not feel any bad for any wrongdoing. I would just do everything I wanted to. Oh, I want to sleep with this girl. I'll sleep with this girl. Oh, I want to go drink or drink. I want to do drugs. I'll do drugs. I didn't feel like, Oh man, I shouldn't be doing this. Like, Oh my gosh, like what's wrong with me?

Like, so I expressed that to him, you know, and he goes, okay, then the thing about it is like when I speak like this, I think I don't know what it is. But I mean, I guess it's too simple to grasp. So then he starts throwing out like a hypotheticals. So he goes, okay, so what would you say then to a drink? Like isn't that like like you should want to transform and step out of that, right? Why would you want to stay in that? You're basically telling me Johnny that I it's okay for me to just sit there and be like you know a Wanting to have another woman, right? And I was like, no, I never said that I'm saying the fact that you're struggling is proof that you don't want that because if you wanted it You would just do it. You wouldn't even come in that. We wouldn't even be having this conversation, right, right, right? Secondly, I explain the addiction aspect People are not addicted to Like that addiction like they're they're not addicted. Let's say to lust They're addicted to what lust provides for them. That's a temporary comfort, right? So when you when you replace that with true comfort, which is God or the gospel or whatever it could be anything You can work out whatever it is to replace it. You'll see people start to taper off even on the lust, right? People always say oh man, you know with men. It's so difficult to overcome lust not necessarily It's difficult to you know, because the thing about lust is that it's like your Savior before your Savior if that makes sense That's what I told the pastor Addictions lust all those things are your saviors before your savior. What that means is like you have one savior Jesus Christ but like if you allow You know lust to be your comforter lust to save you out of like anxiety depression and loneliness you just hop on and just watch porn or like You don't want to think so much. So you go you run to drugs to then like drown out all of those intrusive thoughts now That's become your savior. That's what you're depending on now and that's your savior be for your savior your Comforter before your comforter basically and so he was able to kind of see that and he's watched all my stuff Which I also think is really crazy. There's so many people that go bro. I watch you all the time But it's like during certain moments with certain hard postures. What I say will just hit them like they'll go

Oh my gosh. That's what you were saying the whole time. Yeah, like I heard that a million times already I heard distrust your thoughts. I heard X Y and Z But at the end of the day like they're literally just sitting there going like oh I get it now Yeah, you know what I mean, so you can't wake a sleeping dog. Have you ever heard of that that saying there's this dog Sleeping in the middle of the street and you know, it's gonna get hit by a car You're in your best interest. You want to go wake it up But if you wake up the dog, it's not gonna understand what you're doing and it's gonna bite you It just thinks you're just waking it up It doesn't know why you have to let it kind of be in the street and almost get hit by the car to ever realize why you had to Wake it up. Yeah, but you can't wake a sleeping dog Sometimes you could hear things a million times and until it actually applies in your real life Yeah, then it clicks and they say yep. Ah, that's what he was saying. Yeah Crazy, why do Christians treat each other's failures or their own failures worse than God does? Like where do you think that comes from condemnation number one and then also not understanding the concept that like They think that everything is performative because that's you can't blame people for that like at the end of the day Everything is performative everything is transactional if I go to school and I don't study and I don't do well I'm getting a F. There's no way around it, right? So from a young age You're you're literally getting indoctrinated like it's ingrained in you that if you don't perform and you don't do good Then you're going to reap what you so you're gonna literally if you're lazy, you're gonna have lazy results Like that's just how it is so when they sit there in front of God. They're thinking bro God is this person who's watching me if I if I claim to love him But I'm not doing what he says then I don't love him like how is he gonna be happy with me and they literally beat themselves up extra Right, but the issue also is not understanding salvation and I said this to the pastor too I was like a lot of people have this mindset because he he asked me Johnny in your congregation and just in general What do you see? That's the most difficult thing for people right now, right? Like what do you see that that that people are struggling with in the Christian community and I said Performance like what we're talking about now, which is what you know many people think they think like okay If I do my best Then God is happy with me if I'm not doing good Especially if I'm intentionally like willfully sinning not doing well

then God is not happy with me, but it's like I said it right before you don't like Earn your salvation when you're doing the best so like What makes you think that you can lose your salvation when you're doing your worst, right at the end of the day? People think like okay on my best day I have salvation on my worst day. I lost my salvation But if that's the case then that means God's forgiveness and all of those things are limited It's limited to your performance and it's the blood is limited essentially to you performing and doing well people understand this concept that God is all knowing, all loving, and can forgive everything. But when push comes a shove, I think they don't believe the concept. They understand the concept. Just like, for example, I know that in a car, the accelerator is going to move the car, the gas is going to move the car, the brake is going to slow down the car or stop the car. But that doesn't make it applicable. And that doesn't mean that, just because I know that the car is going to move, right? Belief and faith is where you move the car. And in this way, people know Jesus Christ died for us since people know, yes, Jesus, you know, He's made us perfect and righteous and holy, they even know how to say that. But when push comes a shove, the biggest thing is people trust themselves. They trust, man, I'm doing bad and they don't even realize that they're stepping into the judge's position. They're recognizing like, I'm the judge now because I feel bad and my feelings are true. They'll sit there and they'll literally fall into it heavy. I do this test with everybody where I'm like, you guys believe in the word, right? Jeremiah 17 verse 9, it says, "The heart is deceitful above all things, desperately wicked who can know it." It means your heart is a top liar and no one knows how it is. And I ask everybody in main stage, anyone I meet, you guys believe in the word of God? Yes, we do. You believe every single word of the Bible is from God. They say, yes, you believe God can't lie. Yes. So do you believe your heart is deceitful? They're like, of course, if the Bible says so, that's what it is. They even answer like this, right? And then I go, who here has depression? Oh, we all got depression. Who here has loneliness? Oh, we all got loneliness. Wait, but I thought you said that you believe the word of God that it says your heart is deceitful. So your depression is deceiving you. Why do you still claim it? And then they go, whoa, and it blows their mind because they go, yes, they believe it, or they think they do. But when push comes to shove, they're not actually believing the word. They think that

they understand the word of God, but they don't. And so that's kind of what it comes down to where people are number one, transactional. It's just, it's how society is. You want to go somewhere, you got to pump gas. How do you get gas? You have to trade money for it. You have to transactionally purchase the gas. Nothing else is free. And so that's why the concept of grace is so difficult for even the most simple season Christians, because it's like this, if I do bad, I'm going to hell. And if I, especially if I intentionally do bad, especially if I know that this is bad and I keep lusting and I keep drinking, I keep somewhere, I'm for sure going to go to hell. But God's like, bro, the reason why I sent Jesus is because you can't stop doing those things, like no matter how much you try, you can't do it. You know what I mean? So personally, like, I've had to really wrestle with that too and go, dang, so I really just don't do anything. So I really just sit there and be like, don't do anything. And the one thing pastor keeps reiterating to the point where I would get angry at him is what can you do? Johnny, what can you do? If you could have did something, you wouldn't ask me. You would be doing it. Why are you asking me these things? And I'm like, dang, okay, that's fair. But then I'll forget again and I'll jump back into my works again and I'll go, okay, I got to maintain and I got to do this and I got to do that. And at the end of the day, that's why that's what's causing the suffering. It's not even God, like from heaven wagging his finger, you know, you shouldn't have done that. He doesn't do that. He nothing surprises him. He already knows you're going to mess up, but it's us going, and we like almost crucify ourselves in a way. Well, yeah, that's why true biblical submission is really difficult. And honestly, I remember you used to struggle with it a lot too, as someone who would like work for everything in their life and try to make everything perfect. And as people who have true biblical salvation now, I guess you guys probably don't experience it anywhere where you have those report cards and gods, I was like, oh, because I've trained my whole life, I've had a report card in school, I've had a report card in work. Why wouldn't I have a report card to God? But when you can truly submit, I guess that that's what unlocks the ability to stop judging yourself, becoming putting yourself in the judge's position. Like, let's say I have a thought right now, Coachella just happened and I'm like, oh, that looks fun. I miss doing Molly or whatever it is. And then my friend is like, weekend two, I got tickets and I'm like, okay, I'm gonna go, but I'm not going to drink or anything. And then I go and I do all those things, right? And it's holding it in my hand or I got to drink in my hand. And I'm like, man, like, I don't want like,

I feel guilty about this, but it's, you know, I'm not, I don't have an addictive personality. I just go trust myself. It goes back to the thing. I've deliberately chosen to go against God, but I'm like, I know that I don't live by the law. And it's just like, okay, oops, I'm, oopsies, I did it. Oopsie, doopsies is God like, come on now. Like, now you're, now you're taking it. Is there, okay, my question is this, is there a point where you're taking advantage of God's grace? Yeah, I think, okay, but even that is subjective. just someone who's into like let's say someone just goes and I'll do that same example I know that I shouldn't be doing this but I do want to do it God has made me righteous and perfected but I still I'm gonna go and I'm gonna sin there's people who do that they go dude I'm gonna go and I'm gonna you know go and do Molly and I know God won't like oh well I guess I shouldn't have trusted myself right that just shows one thing it doesn't show that God is mad at you it shows that you don't know God's heart and going through those things is actually necessary does that make sense like you have to go through that you have to mess up there are people in the church I've seen who have abused the grace of God who sit there every day and go there's a sister for 10 years who would literally just gossip does she know that gossiping is bad yes does she know that spreading false information is bad of course does she know saying the church is racist and they only like Korean people is about of course she's been corrected numerous times but at the end of the day she continued to do it now is that something that God you know did the church kick her out no the church was like you're fine God is gonna help you this is like the faith of what other people right they can't understand that because if you're legalistic then you're like you have to change you you can't keep doing that even I feel like that you can't if you really claim that you love the church and you love God why would you continue to do those things but there's this one thing right where I've noticed that people genuinely have and what we're addressing now is that they have this mindset of I think I can stop it and I don't even think that I need there's either I think I can stop it which is just as bad as I don't think I need to stop it it's - it's two P's in a pod because at the end of the day it's

still you at the center of everything right it's like as difficult as that is that to grasp like it's still you if you trying to save yourself you trying to stop yourself it's still you being the Savior there's just no way right so it's going back to that point okay if I know that I shouldn't be doing those things if I know that you know it's not good to X Y and Z do this that and the other of course the number one thing you should be doing is fellow shipping you have to go hey this is what I want to do the issue is not that you have those urges everybody has desires to one way shape or form this person is less this person is Molly this person is gossiping this person is you know just popping off on people all of that is sin anyways the issue is people don't sit there and talk to people they don't sit there and open up about it they don't go you know what pastor I'm struggling with this to be honest like why can't I do that right what they do is they go in secrecy they sit there and they go ah well I know I'm gonna mess up but I'll try not to I'll just trust myself like the issue isn't even trusting yourself trust yourself you're gonna trust yourself anyways the issue is like did you go and have a breaking system did you have somebody to try to hold you accountable did you sit there knowingly and understand understand that you can't do it by yourself so many people don't do that right it's like they mess up and then it's weird it's a double-edged sword I messed up but I'm gonna keep doing the same pattern to like not you know reach out for help not change my ways like that in itself even if they don't sin it's still messed up it's like I want to I want to lose weight I need to get rid of all the snacks in my house but it's like it's okay like I'll just think about fitness and all even workout but I'll still like leave the things in my house right like nothing's gonna change my environment's not gonna change and is that really a problem not necessarily is that detrimental to God not necessarily but that's detrimental to you so to anybody who has that thought process I could just go in and of course you can send however you want why does God not want you to because it's gonna affect you at the end of the day that's what people have to wake up from is to go oh snap me doing Molly although I think is good is

gonna wreck me me gossiping about others is gonna make everybody push away and isolate from me me doing X Y and Z is gonna affect me at the end of the day people have to come to that conclusion and then they'll reach out for help if they don't come to that conclusion like that one sister like that those brothers they stay like that for 10 years some people 20 years they stay like that and then they're like oh am I abusing grace no no it's not even the abusing great we all abuse grace to to some extent right if if you send your abusing grace right God is if if people are really loving God they would be obedient out of love they would never sin that's impossible everybody does it I don't care if you're Orthodoxy Catholic Jewish whatever like everybody messes up to some extent Not necessarily, but they don't understand the accountability aspect. They think like, okay, I need to stop messing up. Like that's, that therein is the problem, right? You trusting yourself to stop yourself. Number one, number two, you even getting to the position where you know what, I'm gonna trust myself again. And even if I don't stop myself, like I'll be okay. That's still trusting yourself. Why not listen to the pastor? Why not open up? Why not talk to people? Why not talk to accountability partner? Because at the end of the day, it's all revolving around, I trust myself and I'm gonna follow myself, and that's it, you know? - Yeah, your story was actually very similar to the Johnny's story about the pastor, your example about Coachella, because at least you described struggle.

You were like, oh well, I didn't go the first weekend. I wanna go the next weekend, but I know I shouldn't, but I'm not gonna drink. And then I kinda fell into it. It's like at least you were describing what Johnny's talking about about going through, struggling with it, instead of just going and not thinking about it, or when you say abusing God's grace, like, oh well, you know, I can't do anything, so I'm gonna take the drugs anyways. Like Johnny's saying, you're just abusing yourself. You can't abuse God's grace. You can just abuse yourself. - But even then, like just picking up and moving on, right? Like when people always ask, oh, it's weed. Like, can I not drink? I saw this real, it was hilarious, bro. The guy was like, you know, oh pastor, I've seen you in the liquor store getting Hennessy. And he was like, well, if I could turn water into wine, I wouldn't be at the liquor store. Like I was dying when he said, I was like, what the heck? But it's hilarious, but it's like, huh? Check it out. But it's like, right? It's like, but that's their harp posture. What's gonna make them change, the love of God? Condemning those people telling them, you know you shouldn't be doing that, it's actually just gonna push them into isolation more.

When they realize, yo, God died for me. I don't have to lean on this alcohol to make me feel happy. I don't have to lean on Molly. I don't have to do those things. Like that's what's gonna change people. What's gonna cast that out though? If someone is abusing grace, legalism is not gonna change them, right? If someone is hateful, hatred is, and telling them not to hate is not gonna change them. What's gonna change them is love. What's gonna change people who are filled with anger and frustration is peace and calm. And so like we also as Christians have to do a better job, I was talking about this in the discord stage too, of like helping people and like praying for people. You know, there's brothers and sisters and every one of us here, we've struggled with this where we know about God, and then your family member doesn't. And then there's this heart that arises, I was addressing this in main stage today too, where it's this heart of like, dang, I'm right. And if you guys wanna be that hardened, like I will see during the day of judgment, like they parade that. I'll stand in front of God and you'll be freaking burning, and I'm gonna be over here like I told you so. Nah, that heart is wrong. Honestly, the right heart should be,

do they even know how scary it is to go against God and to go against His will? They don't even see how scary that day of judgment is actually gonna be. That's why they're so angry and frustrated. So what should we do? We should pity them. I should have told them. You guys need to learn to pity your family members. Not in a way where it's like, oh, like let them walk all over you, but you have to go, yo, they are so blinded. They literally think nothing of God. Like He's nothing, they just flick them away. Like, I don't know, like a little mustard seed or something. And so at the end of the day, we also have to think about like people's heart posture in that they don't even know that they're like walking towards destruction. It's really crazy. It's really, really wild, you know? This last week, it was a lot of like eye-opening things where I hung out with pastor from our church and then we would go and meet with all these other pastors. And it was so difficult to sit there and see that this pastor who's watching over seven other pastors has not even, and he was real and I respect them, has not even finished the Bible front to back one time. You're guiding seven pastors and you haven't even read the Bible.

And all of the message is, and God will help you. And God will love you. It's like, yes, it feels great, but there is no practicality to it. And there are people like, I spoke to a sister, she was older in his congregation. I gave a testimony at his congregation and people were like, yo, this is profound. Not only did you like question, but you also gave us practical steps. You taught us right then and there, how to apply faith to our lives. And I saw that that other pastor, 'Cause all their messaging is you have strongholds, God will break through your stronghold. How? Doesn't matter, half faith. Like there is no how. It's more of just like, he will, he will. And that's beautiful. But they were, they would, so what they would do is six days out of the week, and I shouldn't have said this, but I had to. Six days out of the week, they're struggling. I said, you guys are like an iPhone. And the church is like the charger. You, you, six days, you're like draining in this world. And then on the seventh day, when you go on Sunday, it's like you plug back in and you're like juiced up again. Oh, and then you go back out, and you're literally struggling Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday,

Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, and then right on Sunday, you're juiced up again. And years and years and years go by, and they're like, yo, why is my life not leveled up? It's literally the same pattern. And so when I said this, I don't know why, because I just had to say it, I could see that the pastor was like, dang, you threw a shot at me, which I wasn't trying to, but it just came out of me. But from then on, once the church ended, the fellowship started to come, right? And people came and they were just like, yo, how is it that you're 36 years old, but you understand like what we're going through? And what is the practical steps on how to do that? And then I was like, I just hear like, share me, you know, my head like, tell them about that, tell them about that. (laughing) - Hey, I'm not gonna lie, I was literally thinking about it right now. (laughing) - So I'm like, but I didn't, right? I said, I even did one thing. - I know, I'm sorry, my bad. But I did say, I did say. - Let me say what you said. - What did I say? - You said, read the Bible. - No, no, no.

I said, I took the slogan we took, honestly. I said, the one thing is we don't even know how to make God a habit in our lives, right? And they're like, okay, but the girl challenged. What do you mean I do? I come to church every Sunday. This isn't this making God a habit in my life. And I was like, we're gonna do like a stream of fun, right? And I'm like, but I'm not trying to, 'cause you got a pastor there, you don't wanna like step on his toes. But you have to also be able to navigate the habitual stuff. So I'm like, for me personally, what helps me is like every morning I wake up and I read the Bible. The crazy thing is people say the same thing. That's what we need to talk about too on offline. But they're like, yeah, we wake up and read the Bible too. We wake up and, yeah, you know, Joyce, Meyer, whatever. She also writes a devotional everywhere and we read the devotional. So I'm like, and I just had to keep it real with them, right? I was like, look, sis, let me tell you something. If you're doing all of that, how long have you been saved? She's like, oh, I've been saved. Since I was 17, I'm 54 now. I'm like, okay, I didn't do the math 'cause I was like counting with my finger and it took too long.

So I'm sitting there. I was like, okay, so I said 30 plus years. That's all I said, right? I'm like, for 30 plus years, what has honestly changed? And then I saw her eyes like well-took 'cause she sat there and she realized like, nothing. I've been living literally. Happy, sad, up and down, sin, repent. The whole time. And I said, do you know why this is happening? She said, I don't know. Is it because I have some unrepented sins? Is it because I'm not listening to the pastor here? And is it, no, it's because all you hear is just feel good messages. God will help you. He will break through for you. If you just believe, you tell them, you know, I'm righteous and I love God like, but there's nothing that people are applying to their lives. And so I told her, the number one thing you have to do, sister, is read the Bible to accept not to understand, but more importantly than that, even if you don't read the Bible, have an honest conversation with God every single day. This is what I'm struggling with. This is what I'm thankful for. This is what I'm not thankful for. This is where I need help. This is where I don't agree with you, God.

She's like, she looked at me like, I can't even tell God where I don't agree with him. And that's where my heart broke. I was like, bro, people are so performative that they can't even talk to their own father and be like, I don't really know. I don't believe right now. Can you please help me, right? I was like a prayer, even if you go, I don't know what to pray for right now. Honestly, I don't even know how to pray. Can you help me? It's an honest prayer, versus like heavenly Father, Lord of Lord, King of Kings. Like it's so much better to just be like, yo, for real, I don't even know what to say. I suck at praying. I don't even care about praying. Lord, if you don't give me the heart to pray, then how am I gonna pray, right? And being real, they saw like, oh, I can actually be raw. So for 30 plus years, this person was under the trap of I need to approach God a certain way, gonna talk to him a certain way, I need to come to church a certain way, the sermon has to be a certain way, everything. It was almost like they were all put in a box. And man, it was crazy. It was just wild. That's a good question.

It depends on people's heart posture at the end of the day. But it's hard to accept because, again, people are transactional. We're taught in this world that nothing is free. The first thing you think of, like, I had a restaurant, right? And I had it with my family. And I remember, like, I don't know if you guys know in the SUV, but Asians do a lot of buy one, get one free. Like in Garden Grove, there's like buy one fuck, get another fuck, 50% off. Buy one Boba milk tea, get another Boba milk tea free, right? When we did that in our restaurant, do you know, like, I thought people would be like, yo, this is a great deal. Do you know what they did? They came up and they were like, what's wrong with it? It's old, huh? Like, I was, I was mind blown. I think that way, too. I was like, you might've just, I was literally like, right? I'm like, we're trying to help you. Like what, you trying to hook about, no one's going to hook, like, that's the natural mindset. And so it's the same thing. I saw that early on, I was like, yo, people are, are, they're not going to, like, we just, we don't like free. Like, we say we do, we, we, we like grace, but there's always this, what's the catch type of energy, right? So that's again ingrained in us because we're transactional. We've, we've had things where people, I think most of us have been betrayed one way or another. We've had people, even logic, even if you haven't been betrayed, anything that's free feels cheap. It's like, if something is of value, why would you give it up? Right?

Normal, logical thinking, but, but especially something as valuable as God's life and eternal life, why would he just give it up? But that's because they don't understand grace. They don't understand love. They don't understand that God wants to give it to us because if he doesn't give it to us by grace, then none of us are getting to heaven. Literally it's, it's so valuable that it's not something we can pay for. I cannot outwork God or Jesus. I cannot outwork the blood. Literally if God doesn't give it to us, we're royally screwed. There's nothing we can do to get to heaven. But people have that mindset of pride of going, no, I can't get to heaven. In my opinion, in my belief, if I do X, Y, and Z, I'll get there. And, and we see this in the Bible too. We see so many people, rich young ruler, who, who's like, what do I do to get to heaven? I've been doing that as a kid. What else? Like it's this pride of like, I do something for God. And it feels good. Why is it? Why do I want something free? I want to work for something. You know, in the Asian culture, like it's disrespectful to like accept things from people. It's weird. Ever since I was young, my mom was like, no matter how much you're starving, if you're at somebody's house, you never take food from them. You they're give, they have like whole truckload. Nope. I'm okay. I ate.

Like you have to, you have to do that. And my mom told me because if you do that and you take it, you now owe them something. Now I have to go back and I have to owe them something. So it's also like all of these things that are ingrained in us, nothing is free. Skepticism is real. If something was valuable, it would never be free. And there's a catch. If there's something that God gives you, you got to then pay him back for something. And that's how everybody treats him. It's so funny. Chalk was telling us the story of how it's like to the two sides of his family. One culture, you're never supposed to accept food and the other culture, you're supposed to eat and finish all the food and accept it. So just a mix of wanting to give and then not wanting to receive. Crazy, bro. Kind of funny. Has there ever been a person that was so deep in their sin that you even thought that it'd be difficult for God to change them? Yeah. Myself. Straight up. Straight up. I thought for a very long time, I was like, dang, there's a specific thing where for a very long time, when I didn't, especially early on, like the first three years, I would have like continuous thoughts of like people who did me dirty. It was weird. I couldn't not think of people who did me dirty from my past. And so right after that, of course, being a gang member, you have like these murderous vengeful, rageful thoughts, that's why I don't open up. I'm just kidding.

No, but just stop Jeremy. But genuinely though, I would have, God is my witness, like from 2014 to probably 2017, I would have like murderous thoughts. I think one day I even counted, no, no lie. I think I had like a hundred and fifty like murders. write down all of your thoughts. So I had a gang of lustful thoughts, but the thoughts that were like the category that reigns supreme was murder is a rave. Rachful thoughts, Jerry White. (laughing) - Oh man, why are you laughing at me? - Everybody comes down this guy. - So if he was like from 2000 to 2006. - He's like from January to March, I had like 150 murder thoughts. - I'm like, what is, what's the April? I'm like April 12th to April 13th, I've had a thousand of it. - We've just been hanging out with us. (laughing) - Just all the people around me, constant murder thoughts. - Yeah, it's like this Jewish guy and this Korean guy dude. - You're gang, right? Like no, I haven't seen them in a few months. (laughing) - Oh. - He's like, work is very stressful. - No, but I would just have that. And I thought there was something wrong with me. And there was a point where I kind of lost it.

Like honestly, I was like, yo, I think I'm going to hell. And I remember feeling this fear to the point where, you know what's scary? Now that I think about it, trigger something. What's scary is when you trust somebody so much like Pastor Kim, that that person on that level who's changed my life, when he says something, it doesn't even affect you. That's when I started panicking. You know, like you guys respect me. But imagine like if I say something and you guys don't risk like, you can't hear it anymore? It becomes very scary, right? So I couldn't hear Pastor. Like he was saying something and I was just like, he doesn't understand. He don't got murders thoughts. He don't, even when he's like, me too, me. I'm like, no, no, no, no, no. You don't think the way that I think. Like you're definitely not thinking the way that, I don't think anyone thinks the way that I think. And then right there, condemnation. Am I, is there something wrong with me? Oh my gosh, like, dude, what the hell, man? Like, I know I'm righteous and perfected, but like, how can I let Satan infiltrate my brain like this? Like, am I really even saved? And it just starts to like, go everywhere. Oh my goodness.

And it stayed like that for a very, very long time. Honestly, and so. - But if it stayed like that and there was other things happening in your life where you started to strive from Pastor Kim entirely or there are still parts of him where you're like, oh, he's right there. Like what's happening if that's a three-year period? - No, I think in the three-year period, of course I was like with him, but that's when I questioned my salvation the most. - For three years, man. - Yes. I thought that I was legit going to hell. - Is this before and after he threw away your notebook? - Yeah, this was literally right before. This was actually after he threw away my notebook. - Wow, so. - Yeah. - Yeesh. - I had this, I had towards him too. Where I was like, so it's weird, right? And I know people can understand this. If y'all went through it, you know what I'm talking about. You don't want to hate the people that you hate, but when, because you can't figure out the problem, you literally start to choose every little thing to blame. So I had thoughts even towards Pastor where I was like, see, if he didn't do that and he didn't correct me, then I wouldn't spiral this way. It was like, I was trying to like almost like piece together things and like claws so I could deflect so much

that I didn't like feel a certain way. It was weird, it was really weird. So even that, I realized now, God had to allow me to go through it. - So that means, 'cause you said the notebook thing happened five years into your walk? - Yeah, yeah. - So then eight years till the point where basically I met you, you went right before I met you. You were spiraling for three years. - Of course. - But were you saving people in that time? - No. - Well, in five years, yes. After the five years, yes. - Yes. - So even in that period, you were still going to church. - Of course. - And saving people. - But there was a thought process of like constantly of like, if you don't get over this thing, you're literally gonna fail. Like you're literally gonna burn. And so I would shout out Pastor John. The fellowships, oh my goodness, bro. The fellowships that I had with Pastor John is literally what saved me. And what would lead me to run away mostly was those murderous thoughts. Was like, I can't do this right now.

I need things my way. I was all sorts of messed up. Now that I think about it, honestly, everything about me was if anything didn't match my mind, that would pop up and then I would leave. Like I'm the type of person where I try to remove, I'm a runner, I remove myself from the situation before it gets way too bad, right? And it's just the truth. And this happens on a regular, but the issue is it's not to the point where it used to be, where it was like, okay, I don't have salvation anymore. What would scare me was I would go, I don't have salvation anymore, if that's the case, dude. So I got saved. I did this and I still have these thoughts. That means I must not be saved. Then all of this is a lie. Then I'm not like it was like this type of level, right? I don't know if you guys went through it, but I shielded a lot of core of the hard people. And I know why now God allowed me to go through that for many, many, many years is because there was always this thought process of like, why do I have to go through these things from the thing of like me getting locked up to the thing of me getting like molested as a kid by someone who's older than me. All of these things, I was always like, I understand that I had to go through it. I made peace with it, but still there was a there was it was more like I accepted it, right? But every single thing down the road, God has been showing me even just maybe in the past four years of just why you had to go through every single little thing. I don't think I've had that much clarity until maybe just the past four years about every single thing prior to that. I would just be like, yeah, I understand like everything happens with Romans 828. Everything happens for a reason. That's why like you guys will see me when I, you know, break down on main stage or it's like in real time is what I'm learning every single time. So that's why I say I'm not better than anybody. I'm learning in real time too, you know, which is really beautiful. Whatever I learn, I always share with you guys, right? That's just the truth. So people sit there and they go,

how can this guy act like he's perfect? I know I'm not. What I learned though is these lessons like I almost feel like it's weird to say it and it's not like in a high-hearted way, but I'm a lot of the times a guinea pig for God, I feel like in that I had to go through a lot of things so that many people didn't have to and other pastors did that for me too. They also had to go through a lot of things and they didn't, they didn't, how do I say like, like I didn't have to go through it, right? I didn't have to go through like struggling with certain things because they went through it. And so it's, it's weird. It's like, it's a blessing but feel can feel like a curse. So even that, I understand people too who are like, oh, why am I going through this? And I'm like, you're speaking, you're singing to them, you're preaching to the choir. Like, I know exactly what they're going through. But because of this struggle, that's why I know, you know, so, yeah. So what was the moment for you that grace became really real where you were like, it was, I think grace was always real. I think where I, I, I misconstrued it was, I thought that grace had to be like a feeling thing. That's what I was like, conflicted. So when did you have that realization? That realization did come after pastor throw away my notebook. But still, just because you realize it does not mean, right, that it just smooths out. Like, that's what I'm trying to be real with people. It's like, this is, this is, there's so many times where you went through that. I went through that where it's like, oh, I get it now. But then it's, you don't though, because you get it. Yes. But some situation happens and you're like, ah, like, I got to be told like 10 more times. But it doesn't mean the first time you didn't get it. You literally got it. It's just, it takes time to unlearn habitually those things. So for me, the grace of separating the fleshly things and the habitual things from like, oh, I do actually understand it. That took like five years, I would say. Yeah. You know, so because every time I would mess up, I would then go, oh my gosh, I messed up. I'm going to lose my salvation. Oh, what's wrong with me. Oh, see, I didn't really listen. And then I would spiral into condemnation. Whereas now it doesn't, it doesn't do that anymore. What would you say to the new Christian that's like, to be honest, my life is less peaceful now because I'm realizing all the mistakes or blemishes of myself and it's the constant spiral of, you know, what would you say to that person? Well, the peace is subjective. Like, I thought it was not peaceful either, right? And at the end of the day, like, what is peace, right? Peace is like,

everyone can say it's different. What is peace? Oh, you don't have any any struggles. But then when you think about all the times that you had no struggles, did you have peace? Like it's weird. It's always like grass is greener on the other side, right? Even till this day, like how fast my heart changes, you know, we make money now. It's not like crazy amount, but definitely more than I've ever made before. And I used to like, oh, I'm going to get the nicest $2,000 fishing reel and nice big old house. But like nowadays, it doesn't even matter anymore. It's so weird. I used to be like, man, I will. My goal is to eat out every single day. Like I can, and I've done that. And it doesn't even do anything. was that saying it's like you think that you can have something and once you receive it it's like chasing the wind that's what the Bible says like you think you can catch the wind and you look and it's empty, like okay cool I'm I'll make 5000 boom you hit 5000 everyone can relate to this, it's just it's just it's this weird feeling of I just need a little more I just need a little more and that thing you actually get that little more you get it and it and then that little more is no longer now it moves to something else you know and so to the person who thinks like yeah I need a little bit more or or my life is harder because it needs to be more peaceful like I'm sorry to say I'm just keeping it real that's a deception piece is not found in situations circumstances I'll fat your bank account is peace peace is found in even if it doesn't feel peaceful if God says it is then that's what it is that's the one thing pastor John a shout out to him always is johnny you think that you're gonna lose your salvation because you have murderous thoughts but because you confirm yourself you confirm your salvation amongst yourself he's the one that taught me this you confirm all of your salvation from yourself but why don't you confirm it with the Bible your saving verse he goes Hebrews 1014 he's told me this multiple times but it took me a long time to understand it he goes does Hebrews 1014 change if it doesn't change then and you change what should you listen to Hebrews 1014 yeah but but but but it took a lot of yeah but yeah but to finally go yeah that's true yeah but yeah but to yeah that's true so trusting the word of God above your thoughts it literally is the master key that unlocks the prison of depression unlocks the prison of this isn't enough gratitude and you know ungratefulness it unlocks you all of those things the way that pastor explained it was they're like prisons and the one thing that's gonna unlock it is denying what you think and feel which is pivotal to every Christian life and that's what's gonna unlock everything right and so on to the next point that also leading into that word would I would also think oh there's certain sins that I was committing like like that murderous thought you know ruminating on those things and going dang how come I have that how come I plan these things out and in my head and if God says you're angry with someone you hate someone you've already committed murder yes we're not under the law but I can't just be like oh I'm not under the law I can just have rampant thoughts no I had to sit there and so you know I would that's the number one you asked pastor Kim the number one question I would ask him is somewhere along the lines of can you lose your salvation for real and uh does God forgive repeated sins that's the nut like and he would just look at me and be like what what sins are you repeating you're like with me all the time what are you talking about oh you know I keep having these thoughts and thought he's like oh Johnny he would say this what is so good about your thoughts you know so at the end of the day um you know like when when he said when I would ask him does God forgive repeated sins every Christian asked this question and pastor Kim goes yes because look how many sins to you sin to where it hits a threshold that God can't forgive you anymore and does it say that in the Bible that unlocked a lot right is there a certain number Johnny in the Bible 1,300 sins you hit that day you have 1,299 be careful man but 1,300 is over for you know there isn't in fact there's actually a number and this is where he showed me in Isaiah 40 verse 2 he goes there's a number of sins that are actually forgiven like all of your sins times too and I was like what times wait I thought he just forgave all over yeah he says all of your sins x2 x2 that right and that's found in Isaiah 40 verse 2 and so you know what I learned and what I tell people nowadays is if you're questioning does God forgive repeated sins if he doesn't forgive repeated sins then that means there's a limit to God's blood and if there's a limit to God's blood then that's blasphemous if you look at the blood it's literally going to wash all of your sins forever how do you put a limit on forever how do you put a limit on infinity

there is no there is no limit right it's like it's limitless um the problem is people get stuck in this idea of I have to not abuse grace yes it's limitless But I got to work it out, but I can't just send however I want it's like But even that is a limit on God's blood though Right, so these are forgiven, you know past present and future Then technically doesn't that make us automatically sinless. Mm-hmm. So then Conquitions actually stop sinning. Yes, but not in the way that you think right so first and foremost Sin is an identity issue not an action, but a lot of people bring up first John chapter 3 verse 4 Which says transgression of the law is sin Breaking the commandments, but when you look at Romans chapter 6 verse 14 it says for sin shall have no dominion over you for you are not under the law But under grace so there are two types of people there are people who are under the law and there are people who are under grace That's just the way the Bible splits two people. There are sinners and there are people who are saved by grace Saved saints sinners just these two so when when people read contextually oh You know God says if you love me keep my commandments of course But at the same time who keeps the commandments perfectly and if we did why does Jesus have to die? He doesn't have to we would just keep the commandments. We would we would pray. We would tie it. We would fast and that's it so Why? In a way, it's weird Can Christians stop sinning? No without Jesus with Jesus Absolutely, but again not in a way that we think oh we have Jesus now no more lust no no no It literally transfers you out of the law into grace so that those sins don't even count against you anymore That's the difference. It's not oh I have Jesus now. I'm not gonna lust anymore And if I do I'm lukewarm which again is not the context of what lukewarm is. Yeah interesting It's just like the actions don't matter, but then I guess it's just this endless cycle that people then go yeah Well then doesn't matter what I do. I should just do drugs or whatever. Yeah, no you wouldn't because Relationship to that exactly but to that you would stop sinning out of thankfulness

Like right now when people are under the law even if you you address those people who say well I I could just sin however I want then but right but even under the law you still don't stop sinning and under the law You're you're you're not even you're you're you're not sinning because you're it's out of fear You're not sinning out of you're not obeying out of love you're obeying out of fear and how how does it? That's not even biblical Right so what I say to people is like they have this performative mindset Anyone who asks that question or it's difficult for them to to grasp like if y'all are listening the truth is this And I'm just gonna keep it real you have a performative mindset You think if I stop sinning X amount of times God will reward me X amount of times That's the core issue that we all have to address. That's why they ask that endless cycle That's why they go well. Okay, but what if I do this or they try to find loopholes because they've never sadly Experienced the true love of God. They think that they have Right, so a lot of people have this heart deep deep down and I want everyone to listen to this carefully Do you have a heart to prove to God? Or do you have a heart that you're approved by God? There's only those two hearts one is I got to prove to God that I love him The other one is no, I'm approved by God God has approved me Two thousand years ago and keeps pointing me at the cross and goes hey, bro. Yeah, you messed up But look this is why I sent this versus people going. I don't care about the cross. Look at me Look what I did. I carry my own cross. I died of myself I I mean me me so you have to make that decision Right are you a person that follows God and is approved by God or are you trying to prove to God to Receive his approval That's two different people. It's very similar, but it's not it's completely opposite ends of the spectrum one goes I can't do it That's why he did it all and I accept that and I'm approved because he did it all Another one is yes He did it all but I still got to prove myself every single day. I got to work out my salvation every single day until the very end I must overcome if I don't I lose my salvation, you know the crazy thing is

People who think that they can lose your salvation always tie it back to their own works for example a person will say Can you lose your salvation? Yes, how if I deliberately or I will fully sin So then it that's an issue though. That means your salvation doesn't come from the blood of Jesus Christ your salvation comes from your ability So what saves you is not even the blood. It's you going, if I don't sin however I want, that's what saves me. See, I manage it. Even if you say, no, Jesus died, he died on the cross, but negating everything he does, I need to still not sin however I want. I need to also bounce with my eyes so I don't look at women. I gotta do like, that's still you believing in your behavioral management to save you, right? And if you flip it on its head, if Jesus doesn't die on the cross, even if you don't look at women lustfully, you're not gonna be perfect, you're gonna struggle here and there. Can you get to heaven even if you just keep the commandments? If you did, you then have to answer, why did Jesus have to die? 'Cause some people can't keep the commandments. So then why does he have to die? Is God this cosmic cruel dictator who literally abuses his own son to death, kills him, hangs up on the cross, naked, and exposes him in front of everybody, allows everybody to beat on him, spit on him, step on him, and whoop him.

Like, why would he allow him to do that? It's because he's proving that, yo, none of you guys can get to heaven, except through this dude, which is God, which is Jesus, in the flesh. But you keep thinking, no, no, no, yes, Jesus died, minimizing him and going, I, however, me, putting myself on the throne, I need to do this, this and this. I need to stop sinning, stop lusting, stop drinking, stop smoking, I need to stop every single single thing. And it's like, then you don't believe in Jesus, respectfully, you believe in your ability to be like Jesus, you believe in your ability to maintain your sins like Jesus, to then wash your own sins, essentially, and be like Jesus in that way. You don't need Jesus then. You just need, you trust yourself. - There's these two people, right? And we're mainly talking about Christians, but what would you say to the third person who's like, yeah, you guys are crazy for believing in that. I mean, this kind of like veers off to a deeper topic, but for the people out there that are like, there's no proof of God, like, you know, it's like the proof to me, like, if God was real and performed these miracles, or if Jesus was a real person, or Jesus is like any other prophet in history books. He's just a Muhammad or a Buddha to me.

But you guys go and believe that, right? My actions don't really determine anything, or like, I'm a morally good person, right? Okay, well, what's morally good? Well, I don't kill people. I don't do anything. It's obvious what's morally good. You know what I'm saying? What do you say to those people? - I mean, you could live nicely and still be morally good, and you can be a philanthropist, and you can feed a hundred thousand people in your lifetime and do all that, and still not get to heaven. Like, people make money out here. We see them. They don't need God, and in fact, they mock God, and they still get blessings, because God is a God of grace. He'll give you everything. He will let you, sometimes the most holy thing in spiritual thing is to let somebody walk away. It's to literally let somebody do what they want to do. It's to let go of somebody. I'm not saying God lets go of people, but he goes, "Hey, look, if you are okay without me, "I'm not gonna force you to be with me." Like, that's what free will is. That's what true love is. Love honors choice.

God is not gonna be like, "Oh, I need to make sure that you're with me." Like, there are times where God will go, "Cool, you can be great. "You can make heaven on this earth. "Handal your business. "You can't escape the judgment, "but if you don't care about that, that's fine too. "At the end of the day, God is not going to force anybody "to do anything. "He will work his way 'cause he doesn't want to lose us, "but there are people who are genuinely like, "I don't care about God. "I don't want to be around him. "Whether I hate him or it's church heard or whatever, "like I made my decision and they're called reprobate. "They don't want to sit there and listen to God at all. "What can he do with people like that? "Absolutely nothing. "Jesus preached the gospel to many people. "He is the gospel in the flesh incarnate, "and yet not everybody believed him." Why? Because that's what free will is. He gave saints and sleucifer all of heaven. The only thing he didn't give him was a throne. Bro, still went against him. Why? Because he honors choice. Okay, I'm going to give you everything.

And whatever you want, if you choose that as your idol and as your God, so be it. That's your choice too. He honors every single thing, which I think is really gangster about God. If God forces to do something, then that's like him, he has cheat codes then. It's like, bro, you're just going to force me to do whatever you want. Like, then that's not love. All I asked is that you be real with yourself. And I said this to one of the brothers too, who was like, Oh, I fell away from God. I just, you know, was walking around the place and he just came in and heard my sermon. And he said the same thing, which is ironic. He's like, Bro, like, why can't you just do good? Like, why do you all need to follow a book and like listen to this white Jesus guy? Like in the pastor's Korean, like he's not even Jewish. Like, these guys over here like just preaching and this other guy, the black pastor and like, Jesus doesn't even care about you guys. Like, why you guys even care about him? Like, he was literally like, he kept the real. And I was just like, yo, bro, like, are you happy? That's the one thing I asked him. Thank you for being honest. Can I be real with you though? Since you're keeping that energy. Let me keep the energy. Are you happy? Well, I mean, no one's happy really. Like, I mean, you know, this world is just like, okay, so then I'll be honest. Like, when I look at these pastors, they're not wandering the streets. Like, they're not doing those like they don't, they're not even worried about like, they're preaching the gospel. They're happy they have, they can go places like, you know, and if you're not living better than them, respectfully like, where then do you draw? Like, from your, like, logically speaking, right? And I'm just like being logical. Where do you draw your happiness?

And where do you draw your peace? Because if you say from yourself, you just told me that you're not really happy. So then where, like, I just want to understand your thought process behind it. He had nothing to say. He literally was like, well, you know, well, like, he didn't know what to say. And so I'm like, again, anybody here, there's going to be atheists that stumble across. There's going to be people who don't, you know, I'm not saying attack them or fight them or debate them. But one thing I think anyone has to think about is, am I truly happy? Right? Am I happier following myself? If you guys are more power to you, right? You don't have, I can't make you care about heaven. No one can. But at the end of the day, if you're being real, like, all I'm asking is live by the standards that you ask everybody to live by, which is, y'all need to be real. Y'all shouldn't be following the Bible because that's not real. We know what real is. Okay, cool. Then be real with yourself too. If you're happy, 100%, please follow yourself to the court. Pastor Kim says this all the time. If you have no flaws in your life and you have your life under control and everything is genuinely okay, follow yourself. You have every right to. But to the people who don't, and I think most people, 99% are not where they want to be. They just have accepted that they have to be there. What, what, I mean, what does it hurt to sit there and go, you know what? I might have messed up. I didn't lead my life directly. Let's try something else out. You know, and that would actually be the smarter thing to do. It doesn't have to be religion, but definitely it can't be self. It's something's got to shift, you know, so that's what I say to them. I think about things in my life and I'm like, okay, I wasn't able to accept that blessing from God because I wasn't ready even though I thought I wanted something. Or maybe you can think of examples in your life where you're like, oh, I had to go through certain things before God allowed me to accept this blessing. Like he opened up the heart container, right? So let me think of an example. Let's say you're like bad with money.

So God's not going to give you a million dollars because it's probably going to corrupt you. So at some point, there's probably something that needs to happen in your life. Whether he teaches you discipline. I don't know what he has to teach you to then. Maybe you get financial security or whatever it is. Is that true or would you say that's true or false? I mean, yes, but it also depends, right? Like all these questions is always it depends. Because again, like heart posture, right? So is it wrong for somebody though? Like let's say for me, I'm like, okay, I know that I can be an impatient person. And I know that that probably doesn't help my relationships. Platonic work or love it like, you know, whatever. And I'm not thinking that God is blocking relationships from my life. But I am thinking that maybe if I worked on it or if God helped me work on this, then there would probably be something else that he could give to me because he could trust me with that. Is that wrong or right thinking? That's not wrong or right, but that'll be proven in time. Right? Like that could be right. That could be wrong. I think like what we've through all of that what's liberating is going you can snap your fingers and give me patience right now. You're not doing it and you're not going to force me or you might. I don't know. But all I'm going to do is trust that where I'm at right now is exactly where I need to be. And it's like, did you have that thought Yeah, I did. I was like, but then you'd still just fall back. Of course. OK, yeah, because it's it's situation is what makes people fall back. Right. I think everything is good. Like you're genuinely peaceful and then it comes and you're just like,

Oh, you start spiraling again. That's every single person goes through this. But the one thing is. What what I was I think what's really beautiful about people who are saved is that they have that backdoor of going. All right, let me sit back. Yes, I'm spiraling around. Yes, I have the murderous thoughts, but like what did pastors say? Versus when you didn't even have that. You're just murderous. I mean, it's just it's so crazy. So the grace behind everything I realize is having the things that you didn't have before. I couldn't see my level up. That was the problem. And so that's why for so long, it wasn't even that I wasn't leveled up. It was like, Oh, my gosh, I couldn't see my level up, my level up, because my level up to me wasn't a level up, if that makes sense. And so in that way, that's why I was struggling so much. It's not it was all self-induced as crazy as that sounds. Does that make people angry? It can. But for me, it was necessary. Why? Because now I can understand how where I have to just shut up. I look at people and I go, you're going to go through it, bro. Because I went through it. And I don't want you to and I'm begging you and my hope is that you don't. But you're going to go through it. If you keep on doing it, you're going to go through it. And so I had to like think about that, right?

For three years, I had those thoughts. It just came out of the blue. And it was all because of fear. And it was all because of expectations, which now makes me think, which is so crazy to say this. I am so thankful that I had all of those thoughts. I am so thankful that I spiraled countless nights, packed up my stuff, left toad pastor, called Pastor John, was like, yo, I'm out. And just dipped left missions trips like when I went to Thailand. Just went there. I was supposed to stay for an extra amount of time, flew back and just dipped. I did it all. Why? Because all of that needed to happen for me to go. Oh my gosh, dude. Everyone who's going to go through this, I now understand and I can get through this and help other people. And so I think what where where pastor is goaded, both pastors, three pastors, like Pastor Hanh too, is they were like, he's going to get through it and God's going to work. That like they always had, even at that time, I couldn't understand. I was like, I thought they didn't care about me. They had faith so much that it was like, he'll be all right. But you know, when you're freaking out and you're like, what do you mean? I'll be all right. Like that's, that's, that was what was my biggest problem. And it got to the point where I got, I had gotten just tired of myself. Like extremely tired to the point where it won't get to that position anymore. Yeah. There's times where I get frustrated as Jeremy and Aaron. I get mad, but it's like a little conversation and it's done.

Oh my gosh. We have like, I hope pastor can come on. Honestly, he will tell you the times where there is no getting through to me. Like it doesn't matter. I have a mouthpiece and I can make it to where everything is right. If I want to, like I can pull up all the nasty stuff, everything. And I will, I will win. And I would do that with them. I would scuffle and I would, I would be like, all right. But if that's the case, the Bible says this and it was, it was like literally pastor Kim would be like this. It is so tiring, fighting with Satan. And I'm like, I'm the one, like my face is like this. I'm the one talking. Why are you calling me Satan? I thought I was righteous. And he would just, it would just go for hours. We would be fighting each other, especially early on, like three years into the walk, four years into the walk. And so I was able to then sit there and now go, yeah, let's have a conversation. Hey, Jeremy, this is what I felt about it. I don't know. Okay. I'm sorry. Okay. Cool. And that's it. Hey, Aaron word. I have an issue. Hey, whatever, like, right.

And at the end of the day, it's like, even that has been sheltered. Like, I really appreciate pastor. Because when I would say I'm done, it's over. Like, I'm done. I would leave. And, and, and Pastor John will attest to this. He would stress out so much because I would literally just block everybody, change my number, change my number. And they would be like, dang, is this guy gonna be dead? He's gonna be doing crazy stuff. We don't know, you know? It wasn't eight years though. It wasn't five plus the three, Jerome. It was the first three years and then in that 50 year, it was like more like spiraling on a different occasion. Yeah. But more so of like, what the heck? Why would he throw my stuff away? And then, you know, and then that would then kind of get there, but it wouldn't be like, like, it was bad. Yeah, it was bad. Now that I think-- I think about our phone calls. He'll call me, be like, Aaron, we gotta run the fade. (laughing) Holds my house at four. I don't do that. No, I'm just kidding. Their phone calls are very friendly. You're right, it is just like one little conversation.

You've never fought us, but you've fought it. No? Yes, you have. He walks up on me, he's like, I can't-- Dude, you always think that, Jeremy. You always think I'll kill you or something. There's no way you haven't thought of one. He thinks I'm gonna murder people. Johnny, I think I'm having murderous thoughts again. Get him out of here before I do something I don't want to. What are you doing? Are you taking a photo of me? Yeah, fine, wait, be angry and point at me. Yep, yeah, do it again, both of you. I'm gonna do POV, Johnny's yelling at you again on the wisdom podcast. (laughing) (speaking in foreign language) People think I'm mean to you, that's so crazy. Oh, yeah, why would they crash? They must be so cool. Because you would literally sit there and say that. Hey, I sometimes come in on the main stage and Johnny's just slandering me. No, I'm not, he's just using me like-- No, I'm not, he's like gay, stubborn, like-- (laughing) All true, no, I'm just kidding. I think they probably all think we're all way meaner to each other than we actually are.

Yeah, that's facts though. That's how you know we're all true friends. Like if people are dogging on each other, it's 'cause they're friends. If we stop being mean to each other, you know there's a deeper issue. Yeah, exactly. That's why I'm never mean to hear me. Don't stop being mean to me. (laughing) We're such good friends, because of that. Jeremy, stop these people will literally sit there and think that. They actually think like we're mean to him. 'Cause he'll sit there and go, oh yeah, Johnny, yeah, you have a boss who just cracks the whip. I never cracked the whip. Okay, that's not true, but I don't crack the whip like that, bro. Do I? (laughing) Well, that's the end of the episode. (laughing) That was a good episode. It was really good. I like the personal stories. I like when you go out there and you learn something-- Well it didn't look like you did. Speaking of that, actually-- What you mean, oh my god, you ain't seen this.

Oh wow, this is so angry. What? Are you-- Yeah, you don't even say hi. He walks in. You didn't even say hi. I did. It was hi, and then after he just sits there on his phone like this. That's what he did. Johnny, you're not standing there. May I have a rebuttal? No. Okay, I can't thank you. What a rebuttal. (laughing) At one point today, did I sit in this chair? When we started, other than that, I was helping Silly Boy. So, yes, Silly Boy. Do the lighting, move the things around, package 'em over around. You didn't have to be so rude when he came in. Johnny came in and he's like, this guy's here, have fun. I didn't say that. I said hey, Silly boy. Johnny's here. I know. Yeah, no, he wasn't me.

I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. Guys, see, company punching, Mac. No, Jeremy. Call me Everlast. (laughing) Everlast is crazy. Everlast is great. Yo, you're funny. It's not fair. I need grace. God, give these people grace. Give these people grace. Give these people grace. Give these people grace. Give these people grace. Somewhere in this direction. Johnny, Jeremy, what do you struggle with? Honestly, honestly. Like, there was a thing that you said that was like, I don't know how to... What did you say? You said... I know what he struggles with. He said, you know, lost homosexual thoughts. (laughing) Finances, gluttons. I think it'd be shorter to make a list of what you don't want. Yeah, you got no more.

No, no. Yeah, you got to do it. You look good, that's right. No, you've been good with that for real. It's true. I got my six pack back. It took a while. I relapsed many times along the way. But I finally got my six pack back. It's true. Dude, you have so much grace, Jeremy. Honestly, when I think about it, you know how many people try to put their mind to do those things and they can't, bro. Dang. I feel thankful for that, honestly. Lately I have been, there's also things about me where I'm like, I'm less about like, you could be so regimented about it. Like for example, there's like a pinching in my hip It's really annoying. It's like painting. - Eight months? - Eight months and had it forever. And then you start to, you know, there's part of me where I'm like, okay, like, I start to do my own research and I'm like doing these little exercises. I'm just like, I just want to fix it at all costs. I'm tired of it.

- Yeah, I feel you. - But old me is like, I'll fix it no matter what. But new me is like, okay, I'm going to try my best. And God, if God willing, please get rid of the pinch. - Dang, that's crazy. - Yeah, so how'd you learn that? - Why'd you learn that? - Well, what I struggle with, what I struggle with. I think I struggle with continually trying to remind myself that other people need grace. - Ooh, that's a good one. - For certain things, especially when it's like, you want to get from point A to point B, it seems pretty obvious to me, right? And then it doesn't happen in a certain way. And whether or not I'm patient 10 times, three times, one times, zero times, I, that's what I struggle with. - That's a good one, grace for that too. - Yeah. - Yeah. - I struggle with that. - You've been a lot better, bro. Honestly, like, it's kind of crazy. - Hey, you're probably like me. - You're probably like me. - First compliment this year. - I'm just kidding, I'm just kidding, I'm just kidding. - Having murderous thoughts again. - I know, dude.

Do you guys realize how hard it is to not have murderous thoughts for this guy? (laughing) Hey, I'm literally complimenting him. And he sits there and just goes first compliment of the. - Hey, hey, what? - Turn the cameras off. - Hey, what is the worst thought you've had about me? Where you're like, oh my, if you said not murderous maybe, but you've been like, I want to punch you in the head? - No, not that even. It was more of like, look at his face change. Look at that scary ass. - What, I'm thinking, I'm thinking. - He's like, oh, no, he's literally one of his eyes. His eyes, like, you saw the face. - It was literally like, bro, he's just a woman, that's the problem. (laughing) - Dude, no, I'm seriously like, I'm trying to be real. What is the thing I've ever thought? - Was it the time I wanted to pop his head like a woman? - Oh, that Jeremy doesn't, that you don't really mess with me. - Hmm. - And that made me really sad, honestly. - But what made you think that? - I don't remember.

I just remember like, this guy really even care. Like, there's, there's hearts like that, that pop up sometimes genuinely where it's like, bro, doesn't even care. And honestly, Jeremy's not even doing it. He's just sitting there like, (laughing) like it just happens, guys. It happens, but that's with everybody. I'm like that with everybody. I've had that with Aaron too, where I'm like, Aaron doesn't care about me. But honestly, when that's why guys, having fellowship is very important. Like reaching out and going, yo, I felt like this, but that's the hard part, right? And of going, hey, I felt this way. Because then when I do that, even they like, I know they have love for me, but there's a heart still that goes, if you do this, they're gonna look down on you. Like, they're gonna judge you. And when they go, dude, we don't judge you ever, there's like that, you have two choices. Either to go, yeah, amen, they're not gonna judge you. Like, they're being honest. Or, nah, that's not true. Like, they say that, but they have to say, there's only those two. Depending on what heart you accept

is how you're gonna be affected, how the relationship will flow. So I think that's a really good thing that I've had to remind myself. 'Cause when you're preaching and you're by yourself, you're not really working with the team. Like, genuinely, I, it's easy to just, to hide behind Pastor Kim. Like, that's what people don't realize. Just like all core, core of the heart people is easy to hide behind me. Oh, I'll just turn on the main stage and Johnny will say it. And then he doesn't have to breathe. It's like, I'll just show a video to my friend. I don't have to breathe. So I don't get, like, and then they'll call him a hair tick if they don't agree. I don't have to take it. Literally, that's what it is, right? Blame Johnny Chang came out of that, right? Blame him. He's the one who said that. I didn't say anything. I agree with it, but I didn't know him. Like, it's this. But when you venture out on your own, it's this thing of like, nah, you gotta put on your big boy pants. And there's times where you're gonna have

to be weak and vulnerable. And you may not want other people to see you weak and vulnerable, honestly. But, and that's the painful thing. But the beautiful thing is I have, like, teammates here who are like, bro, it's cool for you to be weak and vulnerable. Like, you don't have to be the person that never messes up and doesn't distrust their thoughts all the time. Like, it's okay. And I think that's the most beautiful thing. That type of bond, it's like Satan tries to stop that because it's me being a perfectionist. Like, I have to be like this level, right? Being the leader, et cetera. But there's times where I can go, yeah, I messed up or I suck or I'm not as good. And that's okay. And, and a lot of the times, I'll think like, I'll pity you guys. Like, dang, you guys gotta like work with someone like me. Which is my own thoughts, obviously. But if I'm being honest, like, humility-wise, who's an ex-gang member, who doesn't really know much about technology, who's not as good at social media, you know, and all those things, and it's just like, dang, like they could-- - I would disagree with you. - I know, I know. - I see, there's a long list of people

that truly don't know technology or don't know social media, I think you know it pretty well. You grew to-- - I had to send DVDs to Polonsky. (laughing) - Well, Polonsky is a little bit different, you know. - Well, the guy who asked for the DVDs was in Polonsky. - I have a question, do you ever think about us and be like, ah, they have to work with someone like me? - All the time. - No, you should. - Every week. - Okay, good, good, good, good. - Jeremy, stop. - I'm just making sure, okay. - You should as, no, I'm just, hey, man, he was making fun of me. Oh, look at this, guys. - He tries a little. - No, I actually struggle with being disrespected, but you just fueled that a little more. - Oh, I'm just kidding, I'm just kidding. (laughing) - Yeah, you think like that, though, Aaron, that's crazy. - Wait, which one? - He's like, what did I say? - What one, no, that was a joke. - Is it joking? - Where he's like, no, he's like,

where it's like, man, they gotta work with me. - Oh, yeah, sometimes. I mean, I know that I can be like, really annoying to work with sometimes. I hope that you guys give me the grace, but then also realize like, everyone has their pros and cons. Like, no one is-- - We give you the grace, you're still here, buddy. - Yeah, yeah. I was saying, no one's perfect and everyone has their cons, and I just try to not like have more cons than pro. Obviously, you don't wanna-- (laughing) - You gotta be faster than the last person with the best shapes of you. - Yeah, exactly, exactly. - It's so nice. - And as long as you're faster than Bayland. - Yeah. - That'd be better than Aaron 2.0. (laughing) - I know I have my shortcomings for sure. I always think like, yeah, if I was super organized, detailed, oriented, never forgot a thing, it would be so much, I'd be a joy to work with it. It's just like, I know that there's things that, just because of how my brain works, how I think of things, I can't do other things,

but it's just like-- - I think that goes a long way. Like, having a heart like that is what helps me be like, man, we all need grace, everyone's trying. You know, it's like, yes, we have times where it's like, man, I wish I could do, but even I'm hard on myself. Like, man, why am I not doing this better? But that's that thing that what Jeremy you're saying, it's like, you also have to give grace, I think, to yourself, more than anything, man. That's like the toughest thing. Giving grace to other people is difficult. Giving grace to yourself is like the heart, at least for me, is the hardest thing. It's like this heart of like, you know better, bro, you know you shouldn't be, and it's like, bro, that's, it's just-- - I kind of hope other people give me grace. Like, I think I've been good at giving other people grace. I've even been good at giving myself grace, like, I accept my shortcomings, and I just hope that other people can see it. And that's why I loved working with you for a really long time, because you are willing to step in and, like, fill in the parts that I'm not good at, because it's like, for example, this is like the basis of how I think, like, are my ACTs, I don't know if you guys know ACTs, the perfect score is 36, math got a 36, science got a 35, English got a 33,

reading, I got a 21. Like, straight up, I have a reading disability, and I'm just dyslexic, and I've always known, and a little bit of ADHD. - Faith is. - I know. - It's not a real disease. - But I've taken it so many times, and those are all my best scores I've ever got in each category, and I could just never crack reading, and I know that, like, just in life and in work, I will always struggle with certain things like that. Like, I haven't read a book, start to finish, in maybe 10 years, and I just hope that the people around me can not work around it, but just understand what I'm good at, and understand what I'm not. It's like, I've accepted it. - Everything we do is now picture book manuals, right? It's like a stick figure, we have video tutorials. Shut out, loom. - Yeah. - But, yeah. - Stick your ears crazy. - We accept you. - Thanks, thank you, thank you. - Hold his head so we can hear me all-- - Jeremy reads to me, he reads me bedtime stories. - Yes. - 'Cause he knows I can't read them. - Jeremy, Aaron's fingers are there. - Yeah, he went psssss.

- Yeah, you guys are ready to move. - Yeah, we were all over here. - I was like, stretch out the frame, and Aaron just went. - Dude. - I can't catch a break. I literally sent a picture to my friend group from home, because I found another friend, I was holding a drink, and they were like, "Why are you holding it like that?" And I was like, "That's just my hand." - It's like an octopus wrapped around something. - They all started breaking it down like they're like, "I think it's just his lanky fingers." Like, "No, but look at where his pinky is." I'm like, "Guys, literally it's just my hand." - The first time I noticed it was he was like, typing on his phone for back here. I was like, "Cause when I text, "I'm like literally like right here." He was like, "Yeah." I was like, "What the--" - Look at this, it's crazy. (laughing) - Yeah, like, long, his toes are the same like, there's his fingers, by the way. - Oh my gosh, big foot. No, but yeah, that concludes this episode. Which, we got announcements or anything? - Oh, so many. - Well, wait, well, there was-- You can make this super cool.

They're gonna have a difficult time finding your salvation and your answer was yourself Which is a great answer and that was kind of in the past, but now that you've seen it happen for yourself What do you have to get your implication your life is an What I do No, is there anyone still that you think even after you've seen it done for yourself And you might have been the worst possible example, but still can you look at someone at a live event or something and be like I don't know if God. I don't know if God can can save this one Oh, man like I don't know if anyone's worse than him. I Think I think like there are people that Maybe on my own selfishness is like man like this guy's not gonna listen But there isn't really anyone who I'm like oh God can't save them because I genuinely believe God can and I Won't I don't know. I don't want to feel stupid like I don't want to be like oh my gosh That's the cuz I'm living proof of that right like so many people hate it on me, bro Like I just got to keep it real everybody was like this guy is not gonna learn bro He's like baby like you guys coddle him too much blah blah and in the end. I'm just like I'm the flame it I'm flame it now, man. How you feel angry can't play no matter But so when I see myself, I'm like Bro, if I could do it like and God not me but God do it through me like why not bro I don't think people maybe people do but I don't think you guys understand how crazy I am like genuinely how psycho I Oh, yeah, we know What you look at me, man? Why does I wanted to see you like little threats, you know, you're like, it's like I'm like, you don't know how crazy I am Anybody process me you don't want to see how crazy I want to see if he was laughing and he was Jeremy has this thing where he can't hide his face So one time somebody farted right In the car, this was at baptize Arizona. Am I lying Aaron? He literally sat there close space by the way a close face true But you know sometimes you guys like we can sit there go. Oh somebody ripped booty like they just did it It's nasty, okay, but you don't have to announce it. No, we were filming something. See now old man. I'm Jeremy

Since here mid-senses. He's saying something. Yes. So guys what we're gonna but what the hell? He could right there. He cuts somebody rip ah right and I'm just like dying debos on the camera like this dying and We're just like why do you have to announce it and he's like what do you mean? We're in enclosed spaces. It smells isn't that right? But there's times where someone may have just slipped it out. You know you do the silent but violent one You're like that's not that bad and then you're just over here like oh and everyone smells it and you feel like super like in bears Jeremy will not he will literally sit there and just he will not let you you will not give you grace on that So when I see you do that I just look over and as I'm saying it, this is Jeremy's face Yes, it is fucker like you ate something sour like yeah, he's like Hey, Jeremy your skin is glowing. That's what I'm saying. You know we thought he had a filter on in the zoom world What are you doing? Hey this is? healthy eating Exercise and Santa Cruz paleo our boy Santa Cruz medicinal not paid not paid. Oh wow a little bit of beef Tallow you look like you have a filter on right now. Oh, thank you. It's balance lighting or also could be the new haircut shout out Aaron My barber. Oh Aaron Aaron. That's 3.0. Yeah, Aaron 3.0 I found a barber that finally knows that a cut hair. He's your he's in your moi-tai class that good Yeah, it was in my moi-tai. Well one day I just saw everyone come into moi-tai class with really good hair I swear and I was just like I was just like dude like why is everyone suddenly getting haircuts? Cuz he's new he came from the UK and then I and they're like oh I was like yo Where'd you get your like one kid had a huge fro and then he came in with like a really nice haircut And I was like yo kachary was like Aaron. I was like and then Because he's new here. He's trying to get clients. So he's like yo, let me cut your hair or whatever. Oh, it's what's surprising $70 Well, I've been helping him with social media so he doesn't he doesn't make me leave a tip But also what he was saying was uh, you know, it's funny his middle name is Jamal I was like no way Yeah And he watches myself. He's like I look at your YouTube YouTube. I look are you gonna shout out? Where they get his haircut? You're not gonna help him out or you want to

Well, now they're gonna look at well if they look up Jamal though for my barber, too I'll shout out my barber etiquette barbers downtown Los Angeles. He's from the UK Go go get your haircut by him if you want a legit haircut. He put me on game He was saying things no barbers ever told me that's fire. Yeah, no, it looks good. You're home. Thank you Thank you. You look younger. What looks younger that the heck dude. I'll put on my barber. Crispies barbershop on Fairfax Like cross that one make sure you never go to Crispies barbershop Look at that. You can tell them whatever they'll do better than mine. Yeah, I tell them do not do much Yeah, all right. What's the announcements? What happening in May fuck man, so it's gonna be our get right with God stream with on Essentially, we're going to get right with God for 31 days in hopes that it continues on after that We're gonna be using the app making God a habit daily in our lives And I wrote You know 31 devotionals specifically tied to that. We're gonna go through just basically how to make God a habit and it's gonna be domino. What is the stream of fun? I don't know. It's just something Aaron and Jeremy told me that we're not Not like we didn't work on this She hates us say your line. Yeah You got murder's thoughts now no, um Stream with on is basically every single day at 9 a.m You I will be doing a live stream with you guys. I'll be busting out the app and we're gonna go through the app It'll be a good 10 15 minutes. Maybe 20 minutes And we're basically all just gonna get right with God. We're gonna walk with God. We're gonna How can I do your morning routine? I'm gonna do my morning routine with you guys so you guys can be leveled up. I Love the consistency not only is it meant to like build the consistency with making a habit with God But just you being able to consistently stream every single day at the same day and time Like people are just gonna know to join at 9 a.m. It's like they'll just they'll build that into a habit themselves Because like you guys love watching Johnny streams But you kind of got to find him is he here at this time is he there at that time one's a main stage one's the podcast But every single morning all platforms 9 a.m. You'll know exactly where he is. No one has to wonder where he's gonna be in May Every morning 9 a.m. I think I think the most valuable thing is you're gonna show them how you read the Bible because you always say read The except not to understand and it's like okay

And then even when I like kind of drilled it in like drilled you with a million questions You finally were like this is how you read to understand it's like oh I get it now Yeah, so I think that you doing it live is really important. I think also showing people how you Take notes like I just kind of watched how you approach it. I was like I didn't think that's how you did it Mmm, so I think it's gonna give people a lot of clarity the biggest thing They're gonna get from this is it's actually not that hard to make got a habit in your life And it's not something where you need to walk away and have Every single answer known to man boy, but is it a charging for it? No, no completely for every single feature Yeah, I doubt go download the app right now prepare. Yes hard daily on the app store. Yep Daily guys is getting better better better everyone is every week It is so quick and simple like if all you wanted to do is read the daily devotional It takes you five minutes each morning like John is gonna get on and do is you five minutes no it takes five minutes It does take five minutes to read those. Yeah, but yeah, like no Johnny will get on and read the devotional every morning And then you'll probably if you have time you'll go into like the biblical explanation answering other questions Just kind of how a normal livestream is but if all you wanted to do is get through the devotional join at 9 a.m Five minutes start your day with biblical verse a daily devotional from Johnny He'll explain it and then I'll just set you on the right path for the rest of your day It's like the store that you were saying earlier you go to church on Sunday recharge And then it just drains Monday if went to say what there's all the way Don't wait until every Sunday to do this every morning. I am just start your day correctly. Yeah, may all that all month We literally created the app for you guys to do that to be able to walk you through it get you guys started and Hope that you guys stay with us because we need that consistency not every one of us has a church But honestly, this is like seminary and church and spiritual walk and just having a straight mentor like All-in-one and it's all Every single day, so it's it's really really amazing for 31 days We can't guarantee this but I would say that if you stuck with the app for even two weeks You would see a noticeable spiritual level up. Oh 100% you will get your first biblical unlock Hopefully, if you've-- man, I think the first day is gonna be crazy.

You guys are gonna, you'll see, you just have to follow it, you'll see, and everyone's always asking, what is your routine? How do you quote scripture? How do you do, I will literally be going over all of those things. - Have you guys, have you guys heard the thing that it's like after 21 days, that's how you form a habit? - For different, I've heard 60 days, 21 days. - Everyone says something different. - Yeah, I know the 10,000 hours thing, right? - That's for sure. - That's too long. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - 10,000 hours to build a habit. - Well, we'll say that it's 14 days to build a habit. I really think it's 21. If you do something for 21 days straight by the 22nd day, it'll be in your mind of it. - Well, I think if you do 10 minutes a day of anything, five to 10 minutes a day, you will build a habit. For 31 days, trust guys, it literally does become a habit. It is, it's going to be. All you have to do is go to the link in our description right now, download the app, and it'll literally, you're going to see, it's going to be scheduled there. You just add it to your little calendar. Every time we're live, everything will just be in the app, the announcements.

And then also, he goes live on every platform. So starting May 1st, put it in your calendar. It's all in the app. - It's all in the app. - Did you guys see the thing where it's like fixing your worst habit will be way more beneficial than adding your next best habit? - Yes. Like you have to patch up the bucket before you can fill it with water. Okay, if everyone's worst habit is drifting away from God throughout the week, and only going on Sundays, and if your worst habit is not making God a habit in your life, then make that one in the butt by joining the stream of fun. - Yeah, under P. - Okay. - All right, that wraps up this episode. And thank you guys for tuning in, and like, unlearn wisdom podcast fashion. We always finish with the prayer. So let us pray out, let us bow our heads. Father God, thank you so much that the blood doesn't have a limit, Lord. You know, there are so many sins that we commit day in and day out, whether it's intention or unintentional, but Lord, I'm so thankful that you don't count that against us, and rather you counted it towards the cross, and you abolished it at the cross.

So for that God, we're forever thankful. There are a lot of brothers and sisters, Lord, who are struggling to receive your heart, Lord. They're struggling to feel loved by you, but the one thing that we wanna do, Lord, is to point them to the gospel and point them to the cross. Whenever there's a brother and sister that's struggling with their sins, whether they're failing, whether they're just indulging, Lord, allow them to not look at themselves, but to look at the cross. Peter was able to walk on the water, Lord, when he kept his eyes on Jesus, but as soon as he started to look at the situation around him, the storm and the sea, the things that were toppling him, he began to sink. Lord, I ask that you give us the heart of Peter to be able to look forward and have faith, Father God, and the gospel, and that you don't count anything against us, and that God, we don't have to prove anything to you, but we're approved by you already. 2,000 years ago, on that cross, Father God, thank you so much. Allow the Holy Spirit to guide people through the Word to be able to see this, and this is true. Thank you, Father God, we leave everything in your hands, and in Jesus' name we pray, amen. - Amen. - Amen. - Like, comment, and subscribe, share with a friend, download the audio episodes.